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two more céntimos

December 1, 2010

Since I am a Madrid fan (if that’s not obvious enough), I thought I’d respond to some of the things that the Barcelona fans said in the comments of the previous posts, to clarify a few of my points.  Obviously, they are more than welcome to express their opinions here even though we may not like it, but we of course reserve the right to respond.  So, here are my responses to several points that have been made.

“The team who was really immature was Madrid… at least behave like real men!  Not like a bunch of four-year-olds.”

– During the game, was Mourinho immature?  Was Iker?  Xabi?  Benzema?  No.  Several of our players, as we all have readily admitted, should have behaved better.  But overall, I don’t think the team itself was behaving immaturely.

“I don’t understand how Barça were the “immature” ones.

– I don’t know about you, but I find flopping and over-exaggerations a bit immature, considering you’re playing at the highest level in the world and are all grown men.

“‘I am shocked by all the hating on Piqué… The manita was an appeal to the home fans…”

– I was objecting to Piqué doing that while the game was still going on.  He can do whatever he wants AFTER the game; it’s his right.  Doing that during the game was, if I can say, immature.  In addition, if it were acceptable behavior, why did Puyol have to shout at him to stop and tell him to be quiet?  Piqué then asked Puyol again why and Puyol told him to be silent.

“And also, stop trashing pique!! and least he knows how to play some real football!!!”

– So, just because he knows how to play “real” football, as you put it, his behavior can be excused?

“The idea that Madrid fans are more respectful is absurd.”

– Just think: if Cristiano had a fantastic game yesterday, would the Camp Nou have applauded him?  I think not.

“Cristiano Ronaldo was downright disrespectful to Guardiola. Pep has a habit of picking up the ball when it comes to him out of play and passing it to whoever needs it. In this case, he’d thought Barca had won it over so he was handing it to us. In no way does that warrant Ronaldo pushing him. THAT was immature and childish.”

– Second point first: the majority of the Madrid fans here agree that Cristiano should have been more mature, and that he shouldn’t shove anyone.  And in going back to the previous point, if the roles had been reversed and a Barcelona player had shoved José Mourinho, I would bet you that all the Barcelona fans would be cheering that player and elevating him to god status instead of condemning the player, like we have with Cristiano.

And as to the first point, why is everyone in the world expected to know what one coach of one team in one league does in a situation so specific as “when the ball comes to him out of play”?  If Cris didn’t know, and I’m betting he didn’t, he would have interpreted the gesture exactly as I or most people would: that Pep was deliberately being difficult.  And in the heat of the moment, people react in ways that in hindsight they regret.  We are all guilty of that.

“Sergio Ramos shoved Puyol in the face pretty hard, and Xavi too. That is immature and childish, not to mention he behaved that way towards his national teammates. It was downright disgraceful.”

– what does the national team have to do with this?  Based on your logic, is Sergio’s action worse because he did it to several of his national team teammates and not to someone else?  I think he would have shoved anyone in that situation, regardless of who it was.  And it would have been equally bad.  We all also agree that he shouldn’t have done that.

“I don’t understand how you can even say Barca was behaving without class.”

– Show me where I said that.  The only time I mentioned class in the post was to say that some Barcelona players have it.

“Also, I really hate this stupid excuse everyones using now (that Barca is a finished product etc) its just lame, both teams got new players, just have to admit that in THIS game Barca was better!”

– I have admitted that Barcelona was better in this game (link to post upon request).

– The finished product is not an excuse, it’s a statement.  Take a look at the starting line-ups, for example.  Barcelona has one new player, Villa, who has played with seven of his Barcelona teammates before, on the national team.  All the other players are in their third year or more.  Madrid has four first-year players, and three second-year players, not to mention a coach in his first year.  Their only player with more than six years of experience is someone who doesn’t participate in the plays.

Or, if you average the numbers of years of club experience of the starting line-ups, the average comes to six for Barcelona, and 3.2 for Real Madrid.  Now tell me if the two are comparable.

In conclusion:  I think we can all agree that we’ll mostly support whatever our team does, whether it’s right or wrong, whether it’s classy or not.  The difference I see is that many Madrid fans can also see when their team does wrong (just look at us condemning the actions of Cristiano and Sergio) but most Barcelona fans can’t (and it’s in their right not to).  Imagine if the situation had been reversed.  I would still say the same things, but the Barcelona fans would then say the complete opposite.

This is just my opinion, and I’m not expecting everyone to be in agreement.  If you do disagree, please at least stay respectful towards others.  This is the last I’m going to say about this subject, since I think we Madrid fans are all ready to move on, unless there’s something that I really vehemently disagree with.

P.S. – for those of you who came here from conlaroja, welcome, and I hope this doesn’t affect how you view that blog.  I do my best to keep club issues out of there.

P.P.S. – the next posts will have pictures, I promise!  All this text is giving me a headache!

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  1. December 1, 2010 08:10

    I have never commented on your blog before, but UnaMadridista, you are amazing. This is a sensible, respectable post that defends our team without looking over their flaws; thank you for wording the thoughts of many of us Madridistas so well.

  2. Maisoun permalink
    December 1, 2010 08:26

    ¡Ayayay! Comments comments comments!!! THANK YOU UNA! We needed you to step in….I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion but…..if I wanted to read the opinions of Barca fans I would go to a La Liga blog, I dont need to see all that here, people need to pay more attention to the big blue header at the top of the page FOLLOWING REAL MADRID!

    • December 1, 2010 11:35

      THIS!!!

      Don’t you’ll have anything better to do than to come here and troll? For heavens sake, get a life!

      • Maisoun permalink
        December 1, 2010 14:48

        Umm…exactly which part of my comment do you have a problem with?

        • December 1, 2010 15:15

          lol. Sorry, I didn’t make myself very clear here. My bad.

          I was referring to the cules who insist on coming here and bitching when they have beat us 5-0. Why would they would even bother doing so is something I really don’t get. The very fact that they are even here; just boggles the mind.

          …but it’s also a testimony to how much this blog rocks as well.

        • Maisoun permalink
          December 1, 2010 15:26

          lol Im sorry too, didnt mean to snap *blushes* its been a rough couple of days/hours even 😛 well after your clarification, I agree with everything you said! 😉

  3. Sayu permalink
    December 1, 2010 08:26

    Una! I definitely agree with everything that you have said. You have responded very well to their comments not just because you are defending the team but because those things you mentioned are observable facts. I think that el classico was really overrated. The world stopped to watch a game whose teams are not even comparable because of course of their maturity. Barca players should know in themselves that they should not be that proud enough of their win because comparing themselves to a very young team is just useless. Its like bullying someone not of your own size and age. However, I dont see Madrid as a weak team but rather as a team who has potentials that is yet to be honed. It takes time to know each other on the pitch. You are dealing with 11 men who just became a team a few months ago. There are still more classico to come and I will only be happy watching it if the two teams will give us a game that is truly worth watching for.

  4. ama permalink
    December 1, 2010 08:30

    Beautifully written, Una. And very thoughtful and reasonable. It’s worth recognizing that this is your blog, where you can say whatever you want, and you *choose* to be respectful and even-handed. It’s one of the reasons I like this blog so much. And it’s also one of the reasons that you (& the blog!) are as classy as Xabi Alonso.

    • Maisoun permalink
      December 1, 2010 08:35

      “as classy as Xabi Alonso.” <—-best compliment ever! 😉

      • Miria permalink
        December 1, 2010 11:43

        Oh, oh… I second this XD

  5. KDJ permalink
    December 1, 2010 08:32

    “I don’t understand how you can even say Barca was behaving without class.” > I believe this statement was a reaction to my statement :
    “What Pep did, and the reaction from his players only prove how immature they are. They might be the better players (at the moment), but that doesn’t mean that they’re the better team. They’re like a bunch of frat boys, no class.”

    I’m sorry Una if because of my statement, you got attack 😦 but I’m not sorry for saying it, because it was my honest opinion. Thank you for writing this post, I feel your love for our team bursting from each word you said. HALA MADRID!!

  6. ICan'tThink permalink
    December 1, 2010 08:33

    I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU. THIS IS BRILLIANT. Some needed to put the facts out 😀 Finally!

  7. Iris permalink
    December 1, 2010 08:55

    The only people behaving without class are the Barcelona fans who decided to come onto a Real Madrid blog and troll.

  8. michelle permalink
    December 1, 2010 08:59

    love you oh so much<3

  9. HIJ permalink
    December 1, 2010 09:01

    People should respect other people’s opinions as much as they care about their own ones. I understand how Barcelona fans disagree with Real Madrid fans, but telling you what not to say because they don’t want to hear it? telling you to admit what they believe to be true? TOTAL RUBBISH. You are brilliant, thoughtful, reasonable, and reponded to those ridiculous comments with class and patience. I love you and your blog so much.

  10. summer permalink
    December 1, 2010 09:03

    if we aren’t allowed to trash pique just because “he plays real football” then i don’t they have the right to trash our players as well… especially cristiano ronaldo, the winner of the 2008 ballon d’or.

    also, i hate the fact that cristiano’s getting too much hate for that incident with pep. yes, he was disrespectful towards pep, but pep was disrespectful towards cristiano first. just imagine if the tables were turned and a barca player did the exact same thing towards mourinho. cules will say that mou deserved it and the barca player is such a bamf.

    cules “loves” their team/coach/players so much that they have become blind to what is wrong and what is right. at least, we madridistas know when to praise and when to criticize our own players/coach/team.

  11. Evita permalink
    December 1, 2010 09:04

    Nice post Una! Cris and Sergio were a hot mess, but if you looked in their eyes you could see that they KNEW that it was lights out. I saw it last SuperBowl with Payton Manning. The eyes always give it away.

    They’re all grown ups. Puyol and Xavi know Sergio because they play on the national team. So why continue to instigate. I was personally done with PK when he spit on someone at the WC celebration. I find that type of behaviour dispecable. They’re all talented players and Barca won, hands down.

    However Pep was NOT trying to help anything. He was instigating. Valdes needs to have a seat with his anger and indignation because he did something similar to Mourinho during a Champions League match (read this on another sight so if I’m wrong let me know and I’ll come back and correct myself). So there are no innocents. They’re alpha males, and they do alpha male shit…I mean how many of us wanted to be the girl to console Sergio last night (the line starts behind me ladies, lol).?

    Didn’t Barca fans through banana peels, make monkey noises and shout racial epithets at Theirrey Henri? So, yeah if that’s the case they’re sooooooooooooo classy! I’ve had friends that have gone to games in Barca and Madrid and they have less positive to say about Barca (not blaming this on Pep or the squad) than Madrid.

    Bottom line is this…RM lost because they played like shit. The guys were hurt and upset and Barca definetely rubbed it in. All’s fair in love and war…..

  12. Hala Madrid permalink
    December 1, 2010 09:05

    Hey everyone,

    I am and will forever be Madridsta. But we have to move on. Yes, people will come to this site and try and rub in our humiliation. But I think there is something special in this moment. In this moment, we have lost. But how are we going to lose. There is certain things in life that are important than football. Those are honesty, integrity, and respect. These things embody the club and is why I support it. So right now, if we are true Madridstas, we will forget the past. Forgive those who wrong us, and maintain our high morality until we can finally savor victory.

    Be patient, and wait it out. In the words of Mou “this club will forever be bigger than any coach, player, or victory”
    Hala Madrid!

  13. TexasMadridista permalink
    December 1, 2010 09:07

    Very very well done with the response, Una.

    Still, I am baffled as to why cules are 1. here in there first place and 2. shocked about some of the things being said about their team…

    • December 1, 2010 12:22

      lol! smack!

    • yep permalink
      December 1, 2010 14:07

      i believe some of the cules come from una’s conlaroja blog. It’s not that hard to believe that cules read this blog because una is simply a fantastic blogger. And there are quite a number of spain NT players playing for madrid.

      • TexasMadridista permalink
        December 1, 2010 14:23

        That’s fine, but remember that you are reading a blog about Real Madrid and not about the Spanish NT. I believe that’s why she has 2 separate ones. I’m surprised at the number of cules who are on a Real Madrid blog wondering why Madridistas aren’t thrilled with Barcelona. National allegiances mean absolutely nothing when it comes to club games, and even less when it comes to fierce rivalries.

        • Hala_Madrid permalink
          December 2, 2010 03:53

          They come here because they want to know about the best player in the world, the best goal keeper in the world, and the hottest team in the world. Oh wait.. did i mention the best coach in the world? There are so many reasons why they come here. I don’t blame them i would do the same thing if i were a cule but since i’m not Hala Madrid!!!

  14. Gilly B permalink
    December 1, 2010 09:16

    Well said Una. I hope that’s an end to all the back and forth on this years match now. We need to move on! Bring on today’s training, some fresh pics of the boys and some luck for Saturday 😉 x

  15. from a cule permalink
    December 1, 2010 09:19

    The difference I see is that many Madrid fans can also see when their team does wrong (just look at us condemning the actions of Cristiano and Sergio) but most Barcelona fans can’t (and it’s in their right not to). Imagine if the situation had been reversed. I would still say the same things, but the Barcelona fans would then say the complete opposite.

    una, i don’t see where you are getting this. until victor valdes shoves mou in the bernabeu and dani alves gets sent off for punching both iker and xabi in the face, and we see what the fan reaction is, it is not possible to make any such sweeping generalization. i am not saying that victor and dani are saints; merely that you would need to see an analogous situation occurring in the bernabeu in order to gauge the relative levels of bias of the madrid fans and the barca fans. and it seems a pointless exercise. You said it yourself, “I think we can all agree that we’ll mostly support whatever our team does, whether it’s right or wrong, whether it’s classy or not.” so as supporters, we’re going to support our team first, look for justifications later. this isn’t about logic. this isn’t about whose fans are more levelheaded, or who would have behaved more maturely. there is really no need for either side to take the moral highground. there is no high ground to be had. i get really frustrated when the discussion goes from “cris shouldn’t have done that” and “pep shouldn’t have done that” to “people are unfairly hating on cris” and “people are unfairly accusing pep of provocation.” sometimes i wonder, who are these “people”? maybe some people are biased against cris and other people against pep. maybe it’ll all even itself out.

    i read your blog because you’re hilarious and insightful and i like many of the players, especially my boy angelito. you’re a top-drawer translator and, i suspect, probably at one point a professional one, you are that good. i hope that it’s ok that cules read your blog – this is my first comment and i promise i won’t comment often! i really have nothing to say about cristiano, sergio, victor, pep, puyol themselves; just that the debate over whose fans are more objective is a fruitless and ultimately harmful one. i mean, you can argue that what sergio did was bad, or what messi did was bad, but how do we argue that madrid fans, AS A COLLECTIVE, are a certain way? or barcelona fans? who qualifies as a fan? i don’t even own a single jersey, am i a fan? are we talking about the ones in spain, or in europe, or internationally? what about the ones who watch all the games but never comment in online blogs/forums? i’m sorry i’m so frustrated right now. i have a tendency to focus on comments from “bad” madridistas – sore losers, if you will – there was one over on Zonal Marking that claimed pep had brainwashed all our cantera products and was building a “machine.” the thing is, a couple of loony madridistas are not representative of all madridistas. no more than a couple of gloating cules who rub our victory in your faces and act like we’ve won the league in november are representative of all cules. every club has bad apples. i’m sorry you’ve gotten comments from a couple of ours.

    • December 1, 2010 09:56

      It’s perfectly fine for you to come here and read the blog, thank you for that! What I wrote was based on my personal experience with Barcelona supporting friends and the way they love their club, though I do agree that the ones I know are not representative of the entire Barcelona fan base.

    • Sarah permalink
      December 1, 2010 10:55

      Valdes grabbed Mou, where were you last spring?

      • linda permalink
        December 1, 2010 11:06

        well said! how many barca fans condemned the sprinklers incident or shoving mou incident? gtfo with this trolling.

        una, you’re a great representation for us madridistas! and thank you for your amazing blog.

        – una lurker 🙂

        • belle permalink
          December 1, 2010 14:12

          actually, pique & his manita gesture cannot be compared to the valdes shoving mou incident. pique was in home ground, showing the manita to barcelona fans whereas mou’s celebration was deliberately rubbing it in barcelona’s faces

        • Margie permalink
          December 1, 2010 17:21

          he wasn’t deliberately rubbing it in, he was celebrating with the Inter fans (there were some there, he was pointing to them)

        • December 1, 2010 18:22

          @belle, we are talking abt cristiano vs pep, not pique.

        • from a cule permalink
          December 1, 2010 21:06

          actually, my point was that there is no way to objectively tally “how many barca fans” condemned our club for the sprinkler incident. you show me ten cules who were like “trololol inter totally had it coming to them” and i will show you ten cules who were like “what a classless thing to do, why not just let them celebrate.” so, until somebody does a survey of the entire barcelona fan base – all ten million of us in spain and god knows how many worldwide – the fact that you personally know a lot of unclassy cules does not in any way negate the fact that i personally know a lot of lovely cules. apparently una herself happens to know a lot of classless cules, and that is very unfortunate.

          victor shoving mou =/= cris shoving pep. the circumstances were entirely different, which is why i don’t think you can compare fan reactions to one and the other. mind you, i’m not saying victor was less guilty than cris – clearly nobody should ever shove a coach, ever, and both of them were way out of line – but we’re not talking about victor or cris. we are talking about how fans justified/condemned their actions.

          i’m unclear which part of what i said was trolling but i’ll gtfo in any case, sorry everyone.

    • TexasMadridista permalink
      December 1, 2010 11:17

      Not the Bernabeu, but will this do?

      • Katy permalink
        December 1, 2010 12:34

        Come on that clip is not in anyway comparable to the pep/Ronaldo incident, mourinho is hamming it up! I cant help but laugh at it a bit though…is that wrong? I’m sure it wasn’t funny for cules at the time but still…

        also, cant really call ‘from a cule’s post trolling. She/he was articulate, respectful and pretty fair, no?

        Thanks again Una for your posts and understanding towards non-madridistas. As I said before, I just like following the team from a non-madridista, non-cule stand point.

        p.s. cant wait for the pictures! I’ll be honest, post-match gifs if why I came in in the first place before I got tempted into throwing my hat into the ring!
        x

        • TexasMadridista permalink
          December 1, 2010 12:47

          Yeah, Mou is being a ham, but he was celebrating a win post-game whereas Pep was being a brat in-game. And IMO Cristiano’s shove on Pep is minor compared to Valdes trying to drag Mou off the pitch.

          Either way, no player should ever get physical with another team’s coach. I only posted this because the above poster wanted an example of Valdes shoving Mou, and here it is.

        • Margie permalink
          December 1, 2010 17:23

          Mourinho was celebrating with the Inter fans (just in case you didn’t know, I’m not trying to be mean) not rubbing it in the cules’ faces (there were Inter fans there, he was pointing at them).

        • Margie permalink
          December 1, 2010 17:37

          ok, maybe you already knew that ^^’
          I guess Mourinho still is being a ham, but to be honest I don’t mind how he celebrated.
          I have no problems with celebrations as long as they aren’t purposely provoking the oppositions fans.
          But, I admit, I didn’t like what Pique did, on the other hand. To celebrate like that before the game is over is a bit annoying, especially in the face of such a tragic defeat for us madridistas. I would hope our players wouldn’t do that, though I understand him doing it in the joy of the moment.

        • Evita permalink
          December 1, 2010 17:40

          Oh okay, so since its Victor Valdes who put his hands on a coach..it’s different. I see your point. If you like him it’s ok, if you don’t its not.

          Of course St. Pep would NEVER EVER ham it up for the home crowd? The man who picked the ball up, looked Cris (who’s a big dramatic girl) in the face and then threw it. So taunting is ok if you play for Barca?

          Sergio and Cris should’ve kept it together they were wrong, but I can’t help but not give two much of a shit because of this type of reaction. If your club does it’s ok, but the world has ended if someone does it to St.Pep? C’mon son, get outta here with that crap!

  16. sidney permalink
    December 1, 2010 09:36

    I agree with everything you said Una and May I add that I like the feact that you did it in a “classy way” like others mentionned meaning with all due respect to the other team and ours you manage to point all things that happened honestly.

  17. December 1, 2010 09:37

    “since I think we Madrid fans are all ready to move on”

    I so agree with this!!

    Indeed, it is just one match(regardless of its mediatic magnitude) lost; La Liga isn’t yet over, CL is pending and so is Copa Del Rey.

    I was so glad today to see some Real Madrid fans proudly wearing their RM shirts on the streets, and for me it is a big deal, considering that La Liga is not that popular in my country, but still has proud madridistas!

  18. December 1, 2010 09:39

    yeah, pictures to the rescue to cheer up madritistas! I vote for Shirtless iker,shirtless iker!

  19. December 1, 2010 09:43

    All I have to say is, if someone comes to a blog *about Real Madrid*, run by a person called Una Madridista, and expects to find a point of view unfavorable to RM… they’re living in a dream world. XD;;

  20. December 1, 2010 09:45

    And, I should add, this was an excellent and thoughtful post. I’m impressed with your balance (since I myself have none) and so pleased to have you as one of “the” bloggers for our club. 🙂

  21. December 1, 2010 10:01

    We do not need to justify, we do not need to apologize, and we do not need to explain. We need to move forward, think about our lovely team and how to keep our support and faith in it. Responding to the Barca’s fan comments is just a waste of energy. Lets keep focused. I love your dedication to RM; this is what counts in this blog…

  22. December 1, 2010 10:02

    This is the first time I’ve been truly compelled to comment on your blogs (not to say I haven’t wanted to before…). I commend you on defending your positions in a direct and respectful manner, as well as demonstrating good sportsmanship behavior when it comes to your ICYM reviews. You exemplify what it means to be a madridista: a fan who acknowledges both the good and the bad actions of their team and continually supporting them whether they win or lose.

    Thank you for providing us unamadridista followers with much laughter. Looking forward to those promised pictures for your next blog. =)

    • canederli permalink
      December 1, 2010 18:14

      Well said. You’re nothing but class, Una, and I appreciate it so much. I think it’s crucial to be respectful and even handed no matter who you are a fan of.

  23. Dumbox permalink
    December 1, 2010 10:03

    I wish you didn’t write a second article combating defensively point for point what Barca fans wrote. I thought you were above all of that. I can certainly feel your passion for your team, but they did disappoint this time in so many ways: tactically and behavior-wise. Barca is just a better team — that’s it, move on!

    • Maisoun permalink
      December 1, 2010 10:30

      You know comments like yours are making it extremely difficult to “move on.” Like Una said before, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but criticizing her on this blog is the wrong move to make.

      “Barca is just a better team — that’s it” —-you’re going to have a hard time finding someone who agrees with that here.

    • December 1, 2010 10:33

      No one has said that Barca was not the better team on match day, or that Real Madrid was not absolutely disappointing though.

  24. lulu permalink
    December 1, 2010 10:08

    I think the fact that Barcelona fans, like me, are reading your blog is an important sign.
    It’s also important to note that some culés are hot-headed and judgemental just like some madridistas are. Don’t let the miscalculated comments of a few (silly) people shift your usually funny, calm, and likeable self. It’s a pity that you had to post this in order to have your say, because I actually could see many of the points that you cleared up here right in the first “Two céntimos” post. I know my team very well, and I know that Valdés, Piqué, Villa, Xavi, and Pep (just to name a few key names) are eccentric. Just like you know that Iker screams all the time and that Sergio is, well, Sergio.
    So, let it be clear, too, that if it’d been me and my team on the losing end of that match, I think I would’ve been equally upset. I have madridista friends, and this of course will be the source of a little bit of childish teasing, but I NEVER see clásicos as an opportunity to feast on someone’s misery. It’s freaking FOOTBALL. One day you’re the best, one day you’re not. That’s my view. I don’t like when people make fun of me, therefore I don’t make fun of them or think less of them because they like another club.
    I just want to say, too, the following things:
    – Personally, I would have certainly given Cristiano Ronaldo a standing ovation if he had given a great performance.
    – I actually find Mourinho fascinating. (Fellow culés hate me for that)
    – I also thought that the Clásico was really hard for Özil, Khedira, and Di María. Three fantastic players who had an absolutely dreadful time at their first game against Barça. I was kinda sad to see Özil leave the pitch, he’s one of my favorite players in the world. I was anticipating a play like the one he did for Ajax. I was sorry it didn’t happen.
    – I love Sergio. And it was really hard for me to see him get expelled and walk off the pitch in such pain… It was simply heart-breaking. Disconcert, I think, was the word to describe the feeling.
    – I absolutely agree that Pep was wrong not to leave the ball alone. He, despite many culé and press claims, is HUMAN. And makes mistakes.
    So, let this comment be a little bit of an apology, not every one of us culés is as partial and blinded as we may seem in the first place. At least, I’m not.
    And I’ll keep coming back to read your posts on Sergio and Xabi, because they (and you) are awesome like that.
    Un abrazo!
    (Sorry to make this comment so freaking long.)

    • Lulja permalink
      December 1, 2010 17:43

      Now this is very, very mature.
      I think I agree on everything you said and I really wish the majority of Barca’s Fans were that thoughtful!

    • canederli permalink
      December 1, 2010 18:19

      Thank you so much for your even handed comments. I made a comment on another post about how respectfully many Barca fans I know treated me post-match. It meant the world to me and I would do the same for them if the situation was reversed. I appreciate that we can all admit the good and bad of our teams and still love them passionately. You’re the sort of Barca (and football) fan I’d be happy to buy a beer for. 🙂

    • RealLisa permalink
      December 1, 2010 18:41

      You’re the first cule who have gained my respect!!! Well said.

    • Bill permalink
      December 2, 2010 16:57

      This comment has just restored my faith in the world. Thank you for this, and your madridista friends are incredibly lucky to have a friend like you. 🙂

  25. Srini permalink
    December 1, 2010 10:52

    I am a Barca fan and I think even if this site is for more “voyeurs” and those who love the appearance side of things, it is edited and written by a fan who, I think is a nice chronicler of things. I think both conlaroja and unamadridista are must visits irrespective of whether one is a Barca or a Real Madrid fan as the blogs are quite classy in their own right.

    I can see the angst that a Madrid fan has in the way they lost to the Barca side and certain things done on the field by the Barca players. Although I disagree with a few views, I think they are not without total basis or just whinging.

    Please keep up your good work going. Your translations especially of Crackovia are awesome.

  26. Pammie permalink
    December 1, 2010 11:16

    You’ve written down, what I’ve been thinking about this, just in a more eloquent manner.

    Thanks for your wonderful and classy blog!
    Hala Madrid!

  27. December 1, 2010 11:41

    I’m not a RM fan,but I really love your blog and support you!

  28. Chris permalink
    December 1, 2010 12:05

    Tired of you madrid fans trying to justify everything.
    Real madrid was the immature team as well as their fans. Making bad tackles everywhere on the pitch and their fans not able to accept a defeat. Looking for reasons and all of that. Its a football game. when you are tackled badly you fall hence its called a bad tackle. I dont understand how you can say Barcelona behaved imaturely from reacting to a bad tackle.

    Talk of Pique, he acted out of happiness. Just like when a player scores a hat-trick in a game he runs around showing three fingers. Would you then say that is disrespectful? Jeffern had just scored and the team was celebrting raising their hands showing five fingers and you call that disrespectful?.. how sad!!

    Talk of Barca being the finished product, before the game in your blog, why did you not include that in your analysis and say that real madrid are definitely gna loose becos they are the underdogs? Real madrid are an excellent team that just did not turn up and got played with but then all these excuses are making me angry and whishing they got beat by more than 5 goals to none. The players running to the referee when there was a bad tackle is called ‘protecting your own players’. If Ronaldo got tackled the way Ramos tackled Messi, Im sure all your players would have been running to the referee too.

    I beg you hold your head high and move on and dont be looking no flimsy excuses.
    T’estimo Barça.

    • TexasMadridista permalink
      December 1, 2010 12:25

      Jesus Christ. What are you even doing here? You won 5-0 and for some reason you are still pissed and trolling a Madrid blog. I beg YOU, take your beautiful win and move on. Honestly, you’re all just soiling it for yourselves by coming here and acting like a bunch of brats. I swear sometimes you lot enjoy seeing us lose more than you like watching your team win.

    • December 1, 2010 12:28

      Hey troll, if you don’t like what’s being said, you’re most welcome to leave.

    • endlessinfinity permalink
      December 1, 2010 15:50

      This is a *Real Madrid* blog in case you haven’t noticed. Of course, many Madridistas will justify and make excuses for our team just like most Cules would do for theirs whether the team wins, loses or draws a match. If you want to debate completely objectively about a game, then you might want to visit a general football forum or a Barcelona website to gloat with your fellow supporters.

    • emily permalink
      December 1, 2010 16:19

      oh shut up Chris… there’s my bit of immaturity out of the way…
      NONE of your points are valid. It has been shown before in the Bernabeu that the Madrid fans will boo their own team if clearly outplayed by another, even Barcelona. The ‘bad’ tackle you refer to was on an extra time, up five goals attempt by Messi to run up the field and score, which is disrespectful in itself. So, Serhio stopped him in his tracks. If you have watched enough Madrid games, you will know that Serge can slide tackle with the quiet stealth, skill and grace of an egret. He lost his mind on Monday evening – that’s a given… But he is still a high quality player, as are ALL of the players on the pitch that night. BTW, CR gets tackled like that EVERY game… You are a flimsy excuse of a futbol fan.

    • Evita permalink
      December 1, 2010 17:46

      Yeah Pk was excited during the WC party as well, when he spit on someone. Sorry, but PK has no class and I have so little respect for him, actually based off that incident.

    • mila_casillas permalink
      December 1, 2010 19:55

      This is a Real Madrid blog you weirdo. What the heck are you even doing here? Honestly I don’t know how you Cules manage to be sore winners.

  29. Cindy permalink
    December 1, 2010 12:32

    Una thank you for so eloquently putting that troll in their place. As for the post by the person name Chris, how about acting with some dignity. Coming on on blog about Real Madrid and saying that our team & fans are immature. Dude look into the mirror and tell me what you see. The immature one is you coming hear to insult us. Come May we’ll see who will have the last laugh.

  30. Fernanda permalink
    December 1, 2010 12:43

    reeeeaaaaaaaaaally..some barça fans act like they never won before..hahaha..this will be the last time they will on this year?? well, i hope so..jajajajajaja

  31. endlessinfinity permalink
    December 1, 2010 12:47

    I’m a long time reader and this is my first time commenting. I love this blog and I have to say I agree with Unamadridista on all points. From my experience, Madrid supporters are more mature and level-headed compared to Cules and can actually admit that their team has faults while supporting them whole-heartedly anyway. Barcelona were the better team that day so they won; kudos to them. But I fully believe the Blancos can recover from this and all other troubles plaguing them at the moment and return in full force. I believe in my men in white and I believe in Real Madrid. Hala Madrid!

  32. Andrea permalink
    December 1, 2010 13:42

    The voice of reason. Thank you, Una. Much like the beloved Papa Xabi, you are the Mama Madridista that keeps us all in line.

    Looking forward to “business as usual” and some pic-heavy posts!

  33. killer permalink
    December 1, 2010 14:24

    Why do u even respond to Barca fans?
    Most of them are Bandwagon fans, only supporting them since 2 years, most of them are 12 year olds who think that Barcelona style is the best ever. I dont think they have seen Milan from the 90s or the galacticos from 2000-2004 to know there are many styles to play beautiful football.

  34. December 1, 2010 14:51

    Well done Una,your brilliant argument do speak for all of us,of all the Madridistias!!The game is over,so does all these battles outside the pitch.
    Now we should just put all these mass behind and look forwards- a victory against Valencia could bring everything back to the right track again!!…as always,HALA!MADRID!!

  35. suzanne permalink
    December 1, 2010 15:09

    una, you are amazing. and class. and witty. and we, madridistas of the world (and a few other team supporters), love you. i wish their wouldn’t have even been a reason to write such a post as this, but sometimes, as one blaugrana stated, the bad apples of supporters come out and make it necessary.

  36. HermosaChica permalink
    December 1, 2010 15:30

    *sigh* It’s shocking how drastically the mood of the blog has changed after just one match and a few posts. Honestly, if (in it’s new state) this blog was a room, it would be smoggy and foul-smelling. But one thing I can’t get my head around is why people are condemning Una to a point where she has to compose an entirely new post as a rebuttal.

    This is HER blog, and she writes what SHE wants. And by doing so, she helps so many of us needy Madridistas without even getting paid for it. Regardless of what the issue of conflict is, backlashing her in her own backyard is a pathetic thing to do for anyone who supports whichever club.

    I just hope this doesn’t discourage Una in any way from openly sharing (and amusing us with) her views and opinions.

    I desperately miss the days where the most controversial thing on the blog was someone’s hideous new haircut..

    • lulu6 permalink
      December 2, 2010 22:26

      This is really true, and really nice. I absolutely agree. 🙂

  37. Rebekah permalink
    December 1, 2010 15:35

    THANK YOU!!!

  38. AlbertaMadridista permalink
    December 1, 2010 16:08

    I, along with many others here, have never commented before because I thought you were doing a fantastic job and I really appreciated it. I am very sorry that you have been bothered these past few days.I just wanted to let you know that I am very appreciative of the effort you do and I hope that you do not take these insults/trolls seriously.

    I am not as witty or clear as you, or other posters, but I wanted to inform you that I fully support you and appreciate all your efforts.

    Thanks.

    PS I have no doubt that our team will pull it together and show us thier wonderful football again.

  39. Cynthia permalink
    December 1, 2010 16:57

    Bravo! Una! Couldn’t have said it better myself! Congratulations on an amazing blog and post!

  40. December 1, 2010 16:58

    I’m a long time reader of your blog (11 months) and this is the first time i’m commenting..thank you for clearing up some stuff to these barca supporters. Now with that being said i don’t think you, or we as real madrid supporters owe anything to barca supporters, not even an explanation! Secondly i’m kinda disappointed that so many Real supporters are condemning and bashing our players for the events that happened. Look at Cristiano’s situation; all he wanted was the ball to start play quickly but guardiola who i thought was a classy guy until now wants to bring out his inner child and play keep away by throwing the ball away from cristiano. For me i say the shove was warranted. If it were the other way around and messi had done that to mourinho the whole world would have been condemned mourinho for his actions but because it’s cristiano against guardiola the latter gets all the sympathy. So for that i sy well done Cristiano and guardiola should be happy it wasn’t Sergio trying to get the ball back because it could have been worse. Now look at the Sergio/Puyol/Xavi situation. When Sergio had gotten up from the ground all those barca players ran towards him as if they were a gang. Now I don’t know about anyone else but i know if people run toward me in a threatening manner like that i would defend myself by hitting out first before i receive the first hit. (Watch the replays of it carefully) Then Xavi, who time after time is disrespectful to real madrid in the press and on the field comes from the sidelines onto the field to confront him. Yea i would say that shove was warranted as well. Cristiano says something and it gets blown out of proportion and people say he’s disrespectful but xavi who has shown that he has no respect for real madrid players or the institution never gets condemned for it. Sergio did what i wish i could have done! so for that i say Gracias Sergio. And that is my two centimos! Keep up the good work Una i really like your blog

  41. sai permalink
    December 1, 2010 17:09

    Thumbs up!!!!!!!!

    Loved all that!!!

  42. Paul Galactico permalink
    December 1, 2010 19:20

    I’ve moved on. I love you Real Madrid. I love Una’s post. Me encanta!
    Bring on Valencia!
    Ole!

  43. Ploy permalink
    December 1, 2010 19:24

    Una, I LOVE YOU. I mean it !!
    I stay silent after the previous post (my two céntimos) because I think you’ve said it all clearly. I totally agree with you.

    And this post too, you speak my heart out. Thank you for having the best football blog ever. Thank you for being a Madridista. I’m gonna tell you again. I LOVE YOU. ^^

  44. mila_casillas permalink
    December 1, 2010 19:52

    You are flawless, perfect, beautiful. Thank you.

    To Cules I ask you this: why are you even perusing a Real Madrid blog? I know that I for one wouldn’t be bothered to go read a Barca blog. Do you honestly have so much time to squander? Honestly it seems you spend more time hatin’ on us than hailing your club.

    • yep permalink
      December 3, 2010 16:24

      I cannot speak for any barca trolls lurking around here but I believe most cules come here from the conlaroja site and yes they are perfectly aware of this being a madrid blog.

      I am a cule and here are the reasons why I visit this blog:

      1. Una is a fantastic blogger. Her humour, her style, her crackovia translations and translations of many interviews. Especially the fashion posts!!!! I never thought I would visit a madrid blog but this blog is a must-visit for me on a regular basis.
      2. She actually made me like e real madrid players more because of the affectionate way she writes about them.
      3. Massive fan of La Roja. Quite a few la roja players playing for madrid so I want to read more about them. Sometimes certain lengthy interviews and yummy pictures are not posted in the conlaroja site. I think Xabi Alonso is awesome – personality, style, football talent-wise. He is one of the madrid players I respect. Not so much for others though I must say…such as Ronaldo.
      4. It is a very classy madrid blog…in a sense it is rival-friendly because Una is a respectful person who does not bash Barca/Athletico Madrid on her blog. Now, some other madrid blogs perhaps not…the bloggers are downright rude and insulting towards rivals. And also their commentors! I must say that you bunch of madrid readers generally comment respectfully about your rivals.
      5. Take it as a compliment to this website that cules actually read it. It shows that Una is a great blogger.

      Bear in mind I’m not defending any Barca trolls here who come here and absurdly expect madrid fans to not defend their team.

      Also, I appreciate madridistas who acknowledge that what Sergio did was not classy at all and was wrong and condemn his behaviour. But at the same time, I think it is totally expected that these same madridistas will not stop loving their players any less, even while acknowledging madrid players are flawed people, just like any other player. I feel heartened to see that quite a lot of madridistas here still believe in fair and clean games, unlike a handful who are perfectly fine with dirty tactics and unclassy behaviour.

      If the tables were turned and a Barca player did was Sergio Ramos did, I know I will voice out that it was wrong too. But of cos I would not love Barca any less.

      Kudos to this blog and Una being appreciative of cules reading this blog.

      • Margie permalink
        December 4, 2010 00:38

        I am a Real Madrid fan and I agree that cules reading this blog is a great thing, I hope we will welcome them here because it helps fans of each club understand each other. Of course there are some trolls but there are also nice Barcelona fans too reading this blog like yourself. I think we Madrid fans should have a happy and positive attitude towards Barcelona fans having an interest in Real Madrid players, this is only a good thing ❤

  45. Lary permalink
    December 1, 2010 19:53

    I love this blog. And I have to confess that I’m feeling much better after reading all those comments of Madrid supporters. It’s like group therapy for free. It’s very easy support a team when they win everything. But it’s really hard do what we do in past 2 seasons: get our boy’s back even when the results are bad or depressing.

    The rude and heartless cules that are coming here just to troll and bullying us should be ashamed. It’s really insensible. You, Una, are more than classy. You are wonderful, elegant and so patient in your response. I’m really proud of be a Madrid fan and I will stick with our team no matter what.

    • Margie permalink
      December 4, 2010 00:41

      Please realize that not all the cules here are trolls, there are also polite Barcelona fans reading this blog who must be really open-minded and open-hearted to want to know about Real Madrid players and give them a chance.
      (this is coming from a Real Madrid fan)

  46. Ariadni permalink
    December 1, 2010 21:06

    I’m a Real Madrid fan, but first and foremost, I consider myself to be a FOOTBALL fan. So, I’d just like to stress that it’s completely wrong to say ”IF a Barcelona player did that or acted Sergio’s way etc”, because, the truth is (and I’m not happy to admit this), that the current Barcelona players would never act like that.
    If you have been raised, trained and educated in La Masia, if you talk with Cruyff everyday, if Rijkaard and Guardiola have been your coaches you don’t show the image our players did on the 29th of Nov.
    Speaking hypothetically just doesn’t fit in that case. I’m writing all these because we, Madridistas, should be our own worst critics.

    • yep permalink
      December 4, 2010 02:27

      you’re the first madridista i’ve heard saying something i thought only cules would say. respect.

  47. December 1, 2010 21:50

    GIRL YOU ROCK ❤

  48. Margot permalink
    December 1, 2010 22:22

    I’m very sorry if my earlier post came off as disrespectful, and I’m pretty hesitant in posting now, as I don’t want to get my head ripped off, but I just wanted to clear a few things up. I didn’t mean to come here to gloat; maybe I just shouldn’t have commented in the first place. I was just checking your national blog (I hadn’t visited it in a while) and I saw this blog and got, well, curious. You’re perfectly within your rights to post whatever you want here, and I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. I just wasn’t aware that posting a dissenting opinion qualified as an attack on you personally, or as trolling.

    I didn’t mean it as a personal attack on any Real Madrid players, either. I can’t stand Ronaldo’s attitude or Mourinho’s constantly obnoxious and provocative behavior and a million other things about Real Madrid, but I tried not to talk about that. I just thought some of the comments, which basically said that Carvalho elbowing Messi in the face was funny, or that Ramos was sexy for hitting Puyol and almost injuring Messi, merited a response from someone on the other side of things. I don’t feel like I worded my statement about Ramos particularly well. I agree that his behavior was regrettable, regardless of whether or not they were his national teammates; Messi is not his international teammate, but the tackle on him was just as bad, if not worse, as it might have caused him real injury. I just meant that for Ramos to behave that way towards someone he knows and loves from the national team was particularly upsetting to me. Also, I am aware he apologized and Puyol never held it against him, which was very classy of both of them.

    In addition, someone commented on here that Messi had it coming to him because he was attempting to score during injury time. There is no rule saying that scoring in injury time is illegal, or that trying to get the best scoreline possible is illegal; tackling someone like that from behind IS illegal. It might have seemed insulting to all of you as madridistas, but it wasn’t about Real Madrid at that point. It was about us and for us.

    I still don’t understand how it was disrespectful for Piqué to celebrate with the manita gesture. I understand it may have offended a lot of you, but that wasn’t his intention–the gesture was for us, for the home crowd, a celebration in the heat of the moment. I did miss Puyol getting him to be quiet, though, so maybe in my happiness I just didn’t realize that it could be construed in such a way.

    Also, the question as to how you could view Barca as classless was directed more towards some of the comments–I’m very sorry if you took offense at that. However, in saying that SOME Barca players had class, you did strongly imply (whether intentionally or not) that most of them did not.

    And finally, I take great offense at the way all of you here are making huge generalizations about how culés are racists or culés are disrespectful or culés are just inferior fans to madridistas. I could point to countless specific moments when madridistas have chanted racist or fascist things, or when madridistas have posted inflammatory and derogatory statements on Barca blogs that were far worse than simply stating an opinion, but I’m not going to do that, nor will I characterize madridistas or any of you as racists or fascists or better/worse than us as a whole.

    I greatly respect your skills as a blogger, una, and will continue to follow your national blog, but I won’t comment here again.

    • Gina permalink
      December 2, 2010 04:29

      If you watch more closely, Sergio wasn’t the one who tackled Messi. Lass did. Though Sergio might have got tangled with Messi at the ankle as they fell down.

    • Margie permalink
      December 4, 2010 00:47

      I for one as a Real Madrid fan am grateful and happy that cules are reading this blog because not all of them are trolls and some are polite and understanding, and this means
      1. these are open-minded and open-hearted fans willing to understand and appreciate another club
      2. this bridges a divide and decreases hostility between the two clubs
      3. it increases communication, debate, and understanding between fans of the two clubs

      it is interesting to hear the other side of the story form the cules here, and those who are respectful deserve respect back. why do people feel so threatened by differing opinions?

  49. Ange permalink
    December 2, 2010 00:53

    thanx 4 ur comments… I respect ur opinion & agree with most of what you have said….but I am with Xavi when he said the whole manita is una tonteria….& really Puyi yelled at Pique 4 that i didnt notice…goood too know…but again…maybe its cause this was my 1st clasico & i just started following & loving the sport right be4 the world cup…but i didnt see the big deal about it if it was Barca or Madrid or any1…i’m sorry…again Thanx 4 writing this blog & Con La Roja… 🙂

  50. Jay permalink
    December 2, 2010 02:47

    I can seriously hear the madridista dripping from every word in this post and the one before. I admit the comments you quoted were kinda rash/uncalled for, but please don’t conclude, just because of them, that Barça fans would not be able to be self-critical if ever the situation was reversed.
    Overall though, nice review.

  51. Cosi permalink
    December 2, 2010 06:07

    WOW. Hopefully I’m the last one to comment on this post…

    Well said, Una, and as always, love both your blogs! I’m sorry some feel like things have gotten out of control with generalizations, stereotypes, and blanket statements. As Una said, EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion, and is free to comment on posts as long as they are respectful and mature, i.e. no angry trolls with thumbs to their noses at RM, but rather, honest comments from cules who have argued reasonably and without malice- which a bunch of us have been sure to thank/praise/hug for being open. 🙂 I’ll also say some of us commenting madridistas haven’t been the kindest, either… but come on, look at the blog’s name. It’s after el clasico. Of COURSE we’re going to be venting, making sense out of this, and taking a deep breath, together, as we get back on our feet and continue to support our team.

    After combing through these hundreds of comments, I *think I* am ready to get on with it!

    BTW Una, if you weren’t sure about your blog’s following before the game, I think all these comments have confirmed you as one of THE leading RM blogs in English! I’d vote for your blogs any day! Well done! We’re with you, and we’re with the team!

  52. Chris permalink
    December 2, 2010 10:45

    @ emily
    tooo sad. you really are. Dont see whats wrong with trying to score more goals. Dont understand hw that is disrespectful. And your excuse for Ramos tackling Messi cos he wanted to dribble and score some more is really lame. When we scored 8 against almeria why did nobody see it as disrespectful?..

  53. December 2, 2010 11:37

    I have to say something….
    First of all I really wondering why Barca fans read a Real Madrid blog, I never felt the urge to read a Barca blog, why should I?
    But it is OK for my, just wondering.

    I’m on a German Real Madrid board, the same there. Barca fans are posting there and some are going on my nerves. OK, they won and they won very high, but is this a reason to create an account and post malicious comments? I don’t understand this behaviour…

    Great that you responded to some comments, well done! ♥

  54. Bill permalink
    December 2, 2010 16:47

    I haven’t seen the match so I’m eternally grateful for all your posts on the subject. It’s not just the information that I appreciate more than I can say, but also the way you’re dealing with everything. I’m a very passionate football fan myself, and I know how easy it is to let your emotions get the better of you, especially after a lost Clásico, but you don’t allow anyone to provoke you, you keep calm, you tell things like they are. This is pure class, and it should give those stupid trolls something to think about.

    Also, the events surrounding this Clásico once again showed me in perfect clarity why I can’t stand Barça. I don’t mean to say Real is perfect, and the conduct of Cristiano Ronaldo and Sergio Ramos could have been better, but there is a huge difference between their actions and those of, let’s say, Piqué. What he does, he does deliberately, with the sole intention of provoking, of creating bad blood. And the culés actually love him for it. (And follow his “good” example to stalk Real Madrid blogs and post immature, ridiculous insults.)

    I hope that this didn’t discourage you from writing your two fantastic blogs. Keep up the great work, we love you! 🙂

  55. Claire permalink
    December 2, 2010 16:48

    I’m a Barca fan but have been reading this blog for sometime and am really loving it!! Can I make a wild guess most Cules that read this blog found it from “con la roja” (that’s how I did). Have to say I like every single piece of article written here (including this one, because everyone is free to express their thoughts!). And those fashion posts/gossip/reports are just amazing!!!

    Personally I like Real Madrid and most of its players as well. It maybe hard for CR7 to get applaud in Camp Nou but I’m sure Barca players will receive heavy criticism from Barca fans if they put on some horrible behaviour after losing an important game. There should be no question what Ramos did on the pitch was wrong. And I personally think Puyol’s response afterwards (saying he has forgotten the incident, and emphasizing he and Ramos are good friends), and Ramos’ statement in the press conference equally classy.

    I think neither Read Madrid nor Barca is “immature”. Maybe some players behaved a little immaturely during the game but for me they have every right to do so considering they are in their early 20s and it’s the time of life you are entitled to behave immaturely. As long as you show remorse to your bad behaviour, (which I think most of our boys did).

    I have to admit I’m not neutral while making this judgementbut I think every single person should feel honoured to witness the Classico, because it’s indeed a great game and Barca showed some stunning talent in it. Though we may support different teams we all support beautiful football (I’m not saying Barca is the only team that plays beautiful football), and that is abundant in the game this Monday.

    • Margie permalink
      December 4, 2010 00:52

      I’m a Real Madrid fan and I’m happy that cules like you are reading this blog, it’s unfortunate some Madrid fans feel the need to make the cules here feel unwelcome. I think that the respectful and polite cules that read this blog must be very open-minded and open-hearted to be willing to see and understand the other side of the story.

  56. nadi permalink
    December 2, 2010 19:11

    one of my favorite coaches once said:

    True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise – the other, loyalty.

    HALA MADRID

  57. juliet permalink
    December 3, 2010 17:01

    I think what you wrote for conclusion is right. It’s hard for everyone to see the bad things in the people we love, not only when we talk about sports. I apologize if you got the impression that I hate Madrid or something, because I honestly don’t. I’m a huge Barcelona fan (I’m from Barcelona) but I respect Madrid and was actually so nurveous before the game because they’d shown such a grat quality until now. But one thing that interupt me: you wrote that Madrid fans accept the team’s behavior, but Barcelona’s fan can’t, and that’s wrong. Me and a lot of my friend, for example, didn’t like Messi’s act at all (when he pretended to get an elbow from Caravallo) and thinks it was wrong. So saying that Barca supporters are like that….just wrong.

  58. Candice permalink
    December 7, 2010 07:04

    what’s a manita???

  59. December 28, 2010 19:00

    Exactly a month ago since that fateful match and only now have I the guts to read your posts regarding that game and watch the replay of the match. I feel devastated and I agree with you, what Cris and Sergio did is not something to be proud about. :S but still, I love Real Madrid with all my heart. And I love your blog too. Thanks for always keeping us updated. 🙂

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