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December 15, 2010

Brace yourself – there’s not too much cheer in this post.

One. This is from last night’s “El Larguero.”  According to the radio program, there are problems between Iker and Cristiano Ronaldo.  It all started back in September, when Sara Carbonero – Iker’s girlfriend – used the words “egoísta” and “individualista” to describe Cristiano Ronaldo.  This upset Cris, and so he sent a text message to Iker expressing his sentiments.  Iker responded back (also via message) that Sara’s a journalist and is free to say whatever she wants.  Their relationship deteriorated from that point, and several days later, before Madrid’s game at home against Espanyol, FP took them both to an office, along with Jorge Valdano and Miguel Pardeza, played the video and tried to explain to Cris that Sara didn’t mean anything by the comment.  However, Cristiano was still not placated.

He was also upset because he didn’t feel supported by his teammates – whenever he got fouled, no one came to his defense, while over at Barcelona, every player would start yelling as soon as Messi got fouled.  In addition, there was the matter of the goal celebrations.  He felt alone, and the relationship with Iker was also deteriorating even more.  The team was affected, because it was hard to be a piña when there are two heavyweights opposed to each other.  Compounded to that was the recent possibility that Álvaro Arbeloa could usurp Sergio Ramos’ starting position, with the team fearing what Sergio’s reaction would be.  Mou was reported to not want to get involved.

After all this was said, the program spoke to Iker, who denied that there was a problem, and said that everyone’s relationships are good, and that any problem there was in the past has already been solved.

Well, we will never really know what goes on in the locker room, and while I’d like to believe all that is agua pasada, I can see parts of it being based on fact, especially Cristiano feeling alone, and Iker taking Sara’s side and refusing to believe that she could do anything wrong.  But if Iker really is captain material – and I believe he is – then he should really step it up and quash all these rumors right away (using a stronger tone than he had), and support the teammates that he’s the captain of.  No harm will come from doing that, and it will also send a message to the press to stop speculating and creating rumors which we all know they are guilty of.

(I’ll be honest, I liked the Iker of several years ago more than the Iker of today.  Something in him seems to have changed in recent years, and not for the better.)

Two. In an interview yesterday, Álvaro Negredo criticized how Madrid treats their canteranos, pointing out that in particular Juan Mata shouldn’t have been let go.  He said, “they didn’t give me an playing opportunities, and back then I didn’t know if it was a mistake or not.  Mata’s case is the worse I’ve seen, for the conditions in play.  We all knew what it was like for him while playing for Real Madrid Castilla, where they didn’t even think about resigning him.  I think that’s the biggest mistake they’ve made.”

Tiene razón, and I hope Madrid has learned a lesson from this – after all, Juan Mata is now a world champion – and that they don’t let any other talents go.  I doubt that will be the case, but I still hope that it will be, since we have so much talent in the cantera.

Three. Pepe’s house was robbed during the Auxerre game last week, while he was sitting on the bench.  Luckily, no one was in the house at the moment (Pepe lives with his girlfriend and her brother) but items worth €50,000 were taken, including cash, jewelry, appliances, computers, gadgets and two shotguns used for hunting.  I’m not deliberately trying to be mean, but I hope that the thieves took Pepe’s scarf collection, and that everything is recovered except that.

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  1. KDJ permalink
    December 15, 2010 08:31

    This post makes me sad 😦
    And sad to say, I do realize how the team acted towards Cris. He’s not the lovable Messi, but is it too hard for the whole team to support him? Maybe because he likes to exaggerate his reaction when fouled, but lately those fouls were pretty brutal. Nonetheless, exaggerated or real, the team should still back him up, no? How can someone felt belong, if he doesn’t get the full support of the team? Meh, maybe I’m just over analyzing like the media, but as Una stated, it could well be based on facts.
    Cris does seem lonely most of the time, no? After he scores, usually the likely of Pepe, Marcelo, sometimes Ozil that came to him to celebrate with him, but I rarely sees the Spaniards. And when the game ended, he always walks back inside all alone. Again, maybe I’m over analyzing. Gah, I’m not even a fan of his, so I’m not trying to defend him or anything. My opinions are all neutral.
    All in all, I hope everything will be fine. We’re getting stronger now as a team. These kinds of news would not only breaks the fans’ hearts, but also they players’, mostly the players’. As a captain, I hope Iker will do the right things. Hala Madrid!

    • Jenny permalink
      December 15, 2010 14:52

      Ronaldo visibly gets along Brilliantly (with a capital B) with Pepe, Carvalho, Marcelo, di Maria and Ozil (who is still diffident with the team and always looks surprised when he gets a hug or a cuddle, (like: “wow, they want to give ME a hug? That’s so nice of them!”) but I’ve seen him shyly sneaking in a hair-ruffle with much more confidence lately!) – what more do they want??

  2. Fernando Hierro permalink
    December 15, 2010 09:13

    We DID make an effort to resign Juan Mata but his dad was not happy with the terms we offered. There were several back and forth negotiations but in the end we sold him for six million euros.

    If we hadn’t sold him he would have exercised his opt-out clause and left for nothing. It is also worth noting that Mata Sr. also helped his old club, Oveido, get some much needed cash as a result of the sale.

  3. amouria permalink
    December 15, 2010 09:20

    There will come a day when Real Madrid realises the huge mistake it creates to its players. Whatever said about CR7, he is, in my opinion the greatest talent in RM. Having all the problems we have, I think it is better for Iker and the rest of players to stick together. If CR7 leaves RM now, what can we do with the skills of Iker? With all due respect, 50% of RM strength depends on the well-being and hard work of CR7.
    I hate to say that we are not in a good shape. Highlighting our nationality on the expense of our shirt is really stupid, but we saw that, unfortunately, in our last game. CR7 celebrated his goal with all his teammates except the Spanish. That is bitter for him and for us, the fans of RM. It was just a coincidence that CR7 and the coach are both Portuguese. But I see that this is becoming a source of tension among the players. Well, RM admin. should step in positively. And most importantly, Valdano should stop revolutionising the team against Mou.

    I wish we can pass this message to F. Perez: We are in danger and in such times, creating solidarity is a basic rule.

  4. hala madrid permalink
    December 15, 2010 09:20

    gonna get alot of flack from the fan-girls here but arbeloa plays better than ramos. not personal just business. ramos fudges up too many times both for club and country. game agaisnt real sociedad this year ramos didnt mark his man right and mou got furious and threw a water bottle. this is a situation mou really never wanted to deal with because ramos is a favorite among the fans and benching him could cause the team to split.
    barca game was lost because of the flanks, both sergio and marcelo are poor defensively.
    -xavi scored because marcelo couldnt stop the pass
    -pedro scored because sergio defended poorly against villa and allowed him an easy pass
    -villas scored his 2nd goal because ramos didnt mark him good enough
    -jeffren scored because ramos didnt even know he was behind him to receive the pass

    • Jenny permalink
      December 15, 2010 14:41

      There’s a lot to agree with in your post.

      I disagree about Marcelo – who actually wasn’t to blame for the first goal (I know it’s arguable, but I’ve watched the first half a few times now – still can’t bring myself to watch the second) – there was literally nothing he could have done – the angle, everything was against him. I think his play recently has been elegant (almost balletic) and very complete. And even when he makes mistakes, you always get the feeling he’s giving 100% – and who could ask for more?

      But Ramos was definitely not a bright-spot in the game and made two clumsy and unforgivable errors – as well as the third. And hitting Puyol in the face was just awful – horrible. It made a terrible evening twice as bad. People said that Puyol “play-acted” afterward – they’ve plainly never been unexpectedly struck in the face before. It is always a terrible shock that leaves one feeling nauseous and disoriented.

      Puyol is absolute class in every way – and his comments after the game showed that. It really wasn’t Sergio’s finest hour. Arbeloa might have played in much the same way (perhaps better) – but he’d never have crowned a performance like that. In fact, the idea of him hitting someone is almost inconceivable.


      As for Iker – I agree with Una – a little more emphasis next time and a little less honesty please! The captain has to present a completely united front to be an effective captain. Cristiano has been holding up his end of the bargain (his interviews lately have been a tour-de-force of modesty and praise for his teammates) – and all these rumours are certainly not being floated around by him.

      Who is talking and why? That’s what I would like to know. Rumours don’t come from nowhere, especially since it rings a little true.

      • Bekah permalink
        December 15, 2010 23:26

        I totally agree with you about Iker/Cristiano.

    • Bekah permalink
      December 15, 2010 17:40

      I see your point, though I don’t think you can flat out say Arbeloa is better. However there’s a big advantage to Arbeloa which is that he is more conservative with his play and doesn’t leave those spaces you were just talking about. When Ramos plays well, he is one of the absolute best around, but when he doesn’t it can be a disaster. I think if he fixed this, he would indisputably be the best. I think that’s something that will naturally improve but it will be interesting to see how Mou deals with this.

    • Amber permalink
      December 15, 2010 23:43

      Ramos had a really good world cup.

      And I didn’t know we were judging players on two matches.

      Arbeloa has been playing better recently without a doubt, but to say all the time better and then throw Marcelo in who has been one of Mou’s favorites recently is just really biased.

      Ramos and Arbeloa should be fighting for the spot it’ll just improve both of them.

  5. Ebrahim permalink
    December 15, 2010 09:25

    Firstly, i think we missing the point that Xabi and CR are talking alot, i mean at half time cr often comes out talking to Xabi, also the team not backing cr up is because they are tracking back! Its not like Jose goes berserk when we score the defenders know their is a job to do and are focused on that. Lets not forget JM is a perfectionist.

    The way Barcelona back up Messi is quite unclassy i won’t like that behaviour form my team, it reminds me of Arsenal who in my opinion are failures who believe they owed too much! I can bring out numerous points but the one i would like to stress is this Xabi has stated this season is long and we have no guarantees. This team is built on hardwork, determination and discipline.

    We are the biggest and richest club in the world , combined with the trophy haul and history we are the envy of the world. Mr Perez has put Madrid back on the football map, Jm is creating fear, we remain Barcelona’s biggest threat, their celebrations in the grand classic displayed one thing they fear us and realized they had to play their best game to beat us.

    I have complete faith in JM to deal with dressing room unrest if this problem was huge he would deal with it.

    The players have responded after the classic defeat and confirmed they have a spirit of champions by responding to adversity so rather then carrying on about unrest i would rather focus on the positives and that is despite an amazing season under MP JM has somehow managed to improve this team. He should be applauded for a great job.

    • Samie permalink
      December 15, 2010 10:52

      I agree. I absolutely loath how every Barcelona player has to go and pressure the referee every time they receive a foul, even f*cking Valdés (God, how I hate him and Xavi, two arrogant players acting humble as hell).

    • Jenny permalink
      December 15, 2010 14:43

      If you had a dwarf like Messi on your team you’d defend him too though!

      I mean, one day, someone might step on him and he’ll just disappear!

    • Cosi permalink
      December 15, 2010 15:08

      Just had to reply, as you mentioned Arsenal. I second. Even if I do like Cesc… guess this is for the Roja blog 🙂

  6. Marshmallow permalink
    December 15, 2010 09:39

    The news about Iker, Cris and so on is very depressing, I wish that it’s not true 😦 It pains me to hear that our team is having conflicts with each other. I hope that they sort out whatever problems that they have as soon as they can.
    and aw, poor Pepe!

  7. Hala_Madrid permalink
    December 15, 2010 09:49

    I knew it. Issues like this really piss me off. I have noticed that Cris does not have any support from his teammates and it makes me sad. He has done so much for the team, and he shouln’t be treated like that. I don’t know if you guys saw an interview of Iker when talking about “el balon de oro”. He said that Messi was the best player in the world, i kind of thought that he shouldn’t have said that given that Cris is also a good player and many people including me consider him the best player in the world. I know everyone’s free to give an opinion, but coming from Iker it kind of broke my heart, and now speculating that there are problems between them, Iker probably did it on purpose. I can definitely accept comments like that from anybody else in the world that is not in the team, but coming from the capitan it kind of hurts. Even if he thinks that, he should’ve kept it to himself knowing the rivalry and debates between Messi and Cris. NOT COOL AT ALL IKER because one of the best players in the world is also in YOUR TEAM. It is just like Cris saying that Buffon is the best goal keeper in the world, SO RUDE!

    • Laryssa permalink
      December 15, 2010 13:35

      Iker’s list for Ballon d’Or was: CR7, Messi and Robben. In that order. Cris in the first place, Messi in the second. When he said “Messi is the best in the world” line was in response to a question about which of the 3 nominees (Messi, Xavi and Iniesta), he thought should win. He said that Messi was the best, but hoped that Xavi or Inesta would win. Why Cris would be hurt by that?! I think the biggest support that Cris could have by his captain, he had: the vote in the first place. I think we need to calm down. We are getting on panic to fast with all those rumors.

  8. Ebrahim permalink
    December 15, 2010 10:08

    Lets remember this marca they do make stuff up! sometimes their is no news!

    • amouria permalink
      December 15, 2010 10:29

      I totally agree i.e. MARCA sometimes makes news up. But I also see how our players behave and talk (sometimes nonsense!). It would be great if Jose Mouriho teach our players to SHUT UP when they do not know how to answer. See for example how Mou reacted to a tricky question. I wish Iker (and the rest) watches this and learn a bit.

  9. old fan permalink
    December 15, 2010 10:27

    If there really is tension between the two “heavyweights” and if it’s because of the reason stated above, then one should shake them and tell them to grow up. This whole thing just shows me that these guys don’t act like grown-ups; esp. Christiano, if he blows someone’s girl-friend’s remarks out of proportion like that. Having said that, I do believe that the media likes to over-dramatize stuff so who knows what’s really going on.

    Sr. Ronaldo is a character who polarizes, that’s just how it has always been. I think having such a huge ego combined with so much talent easily alienates others. Finding the fine line between acceptance and companionship must be hard, for him as well as for the rest of the team, and it takes efforts from BOTH sides to come to terms with each other. These guys don’t have to love each other- one can just hope they are all professional enough to get along and work together for the greater good, i.e. their team.

    About Sergio and Alvaro – well, the better player should be on the field. Football ultimately is a business and is about performance, and every single one of the guys should accept that and enjoy the competition.

    Una, I do agree with your opinion that Iker has changed over the years, but I don’t see it as negatively as you. I must say, I find it remarkable that with all the huge success he’s had in recent years he’s still seems a lot more down-to-earth than most other “stars” out there. A little arrogance comes with excellence – he keeps his at bay most of the time.

    • Cosi permalink
      December 15, 2010 14:55

      Agree with your thoughts on Iker, Old Fan, although it’s still a bit heartbreaking to think back.

      If these rumors are true, then everyone needs to step up. It’s obvious that CR (with all his ego) needs a special amount of support from the team, including the Spaniards. It’s also clear that Iker will always defend Sara, but imo that’s TOO lame of a reason to cause a riff as big as the media’s making it.

    • realmadrid23 permalink
      December 15, 2010 16:35

      If these rumours are true, this is what my opinion would be and it would dramatically change because I love Iker.

      I know Sara works for a shitty network in Spain and she’s paid to say that but couldn’t Iker, being the captain, completely calm things down? He has no control over his relationship with Sara nor does he have any control of his teammates if this is all true.

      If Cristiano is being real that he doesn’t get support, he might have a point because of recent statements made by Iker. Iker should take lessons from the past captain, Raul, who embraced Cristiano with open arms and said that he was the best. Iker going around saying Xavi has been the best for the past 10 years (right before the clasico) and then talking about Messi being the best in the world is uncalled for when Cristiano is on his team. It’s not like Cristiano is a party animal and doesn’t work hard in practice or the gym. He’s a complete athlete, who in my opinion, has been the hardest worker for Madrid. Ask Karim, Ozil, Khedira and DiMaria who they speak to the most? It’s Cristiano. He has brought the new transfers to the team together more than Iker has, and that says a lot about Cristiano’s leadership on the team. I was never a fan of Cristiano in his years previous to Madrid and I absolutely loved Iker, but if you were to ask me who is more of a vocal leader on the team in terms of leading on the field and with teammates, Cristiano has been a better leader this season. Iker might be a silent leader, but in times like this he has to raise his voice and put these rumours to rest. Cristiano is a HUGE part of this team technically and definitely the most valuable asset financially, everyone should be backing him up at ALL times and motivate him to do even better.

  10. December 15, 2010 10:54

    I don’t think Iker and Ronaldo have that bad of a relationship like De la Morena said but something must have happened between them and it is sad. IMO, both of them should act like adults. First of all, Ronaldo shouldn’t be oversensitive over a comment from someone like Sara in a program like AR

    • December 15, 2010 11:01

      sorry continued: even if she is Iker’s gf and he should be used to the whistling from the crowds by now. I agree his teammates should support him more. Secondly, Iker should have been more forceful by stopping all those rumors saying that RM is above Ronaldo and Casillas is saying the truth but people can interpret it in a different way and yes we all know that RM’s locker room and that of most if not all clubs has problems which is normal but it does not help to say the truth in public, especially if you are the captain..

      Sorry for writing too much this is making me sad, I love them both and they are extremely important to RM, the two most important IMO 😦

  11. Lola permalink
    December 15, 2010 11:44

    I think this is probably bollocks. Remember the Portugal-Spain game? Cristiano and Iker looked plenty friendly together then and that was after Sara’s comments. They didn’t have to fake that bit of chumminess that was there that day.
    If it is true, then I’m with Iker. I’m not the biggest Cristiano fan in the first place, but the way we’re somehow seen as FC Cristiano ever since he’s come here is what annoys me more about him and it sometimes, unfairly, makes me resent him. If Cris wants to encourage that type of image of our club, i.e. having everyone come over to celebrate with him or defend him each single time he gets fouled, then I’d be disappointed with him. Last season when Xabi asked of Cris to let him take the penalty after Kaká had been subbed against Villareal, what did Cris do when Xabi scored? Did he congratulate him? No, he stood off to the side and pouted like a little girl. If the rumours are true and Perez wants to be make Cris captain then I’d find that surprising. For instance, a captain would not react the way he did when Guardiola provoked him.
    Anyway, I don’t think it’s true, but I hope it will be refuted soon in a stronger manner.

    • Sara permalink
      December 15, 2010 22:57

      It’s silly to hold one incident from months ago against him… He voluntarily gave Sergio the penalty without Mou on the sidelines last month.

  12. Pammie permalink
    December 15, 2010 11:52

    Since this comes from Marca, I’m taking it with a grain of salt. A big one. Sounds like they’ve been cooking up the sport story together with Saragate. :-s

    For the spaniards not celebrating with Cristiano:
    Xabi’s a quick goal celebrator. Usually the camera’s are still on the goal, when he goes to congratulate the scorer and then leaves fast for his position:

    High fives from a spaniard- oh my!

    Honestly Arbie’s been on fire during the last games, so based on this I got nothing against him taking up Sergio’s spot while he’s getting better. Makes no sense to use him in games, while he’s still recovering anyway. AND having to fight for getting back his starting position might be a good motivation for Sergio to up his game as well.

    • December 15, 2010 11:56

      It’s not from Marca, it’s from El Larguero (Cadena Ser) which is part of the Prisa group.

      • Ebrahim permalink
        December 15, 2010 12:25

        Yes but it was on the marca front page today and AS have not even bothered touching on it on their website.

        Instead their big news is that JM will have one final meeting to plea for Llorente(tall and big=target man) now(in January) and not in the summer, the board yesterday told him no because he should rely on youth and considering the no of castiallias graduating to the national team i think they have a point.

        I feel right now a complete lack of news is resulting in the situation been blown up unless someone will remind me of a team under Jm that had dressing room unrest? If AS choose to report this i will extremely worried.

        Oh and Ramos deserves to be dropped, remember JM losing his head, for all his attacking powers he often does not track back hard enough and i think AA has earned his chance.
        JM keeps saying todays subs could be tomorrow starters, what better message then by dropping the vice captain that no one is untouchable?

        • December 15, 2010 12:31

          No, I read Marca and their big story today is about Mourinho and Sergio Ramos, there’s nothing on Iker and Cristiano.

        • Ebrahim permalink
          December 15, 2010 12:43

          Una your posts are great, you a superb writer, i ‘m just wondering if you can maybe give me a link from where you concluded this problem exists?

          I read the interview and i believe Iker was saying like any family they have discussed the problems and moved on and now the media or lets me be specific this outlet is trying to fabricate a problem that has been solved.

        • December 15, 2010 12:47

          In my post, I simply said that I could believe that this problem existed, and if it did, that I hope it’s already been resolved. I also wrote what Iker’s response was, which is the same as what you wrote in the comment, so I’m not sure which point you don’t understand.

        • Ebrahim permalink
          December 15, 2010 12:53

          OK then the problems a thing of the past :), i thought it was an unfolding problem, sorry for the misunderstanding.

      • Pammie permalink
        December 15, 2010 13:31

        sorry, I only realized this after klicking send.
        I still think that they’re blowing things out of proportion and twist statements.

        I don’t expect the locker room to be a fluffy family (they are only work mates aftera ll), but if any other player than Cristiano were involved, this wouldn’t even be a news item.

  13. Ebrahim permalink
    December 15, 2010 12:38

    the site

    quite frankly their 3 question interview was laughable when compared to interviews AS have interrogating players and the coach. They are looking for news in my opinion.

    Also i think Iker attempts to clarify points and his words are taken totally out of context much like the daily mail do in england.
    I feel he was saying they HAD problems and like “family’s” had discussed them and got past them maybe the media missed this problem? and are now trying to recover.

    • December 15, 2010 12:41

      You do know that Cadena Ser and AS are part of the same media group, right?

      • Ebrahim permalink
        December 15, 2010 12:49

        no i was not aware f this i only read AS because of the number of transfers they got right and the interviews they get.

      • Margie permalink
        December 16, 2010 02:35

        please don’t assume people know obscure information like this Una ^^’
        most of us don’t live in Spain ^^’

        • December 16, 2010 07:33

          I just wrote it like that because I had already mentioned it, to no effect.

        • Margie permalink
          December 16, 2010 07:59

          ok, I didn’t know, sorry for the misunderstanding:)

    • Margie permalink
      December 16, 2010 02:39

      Oh my God the Daily Mail -__-
      that newspaper is so awful with making up quotes and news DX
      (just like all the other British tabloids…)

      (sorry, unnecessary comment…)

  14. December 15, 2010 12:55

    I have to comment again after listening to the audio, even though my Spanish isn’t good and they talk fast, I think De la Morena wanted to trap Iker and get a headline. Iker did not want to go into that but that guy is an idiot. I don’t know if Iker was listening to the show before they called him up because he would have known what the guy wants to get to.

    And now looking back at their relationship, I saw a picture of Iker and Cris talking in an airport, they were nice in the interview for the WC bid and they were naturally hugging, smiling and reading together during the portugal-spain match and all of this was after Sara’s comments.
    I think something happened at the moment Sara opened her mouth but that since then things have been cleared between Iker and Cris.This doesn’t mean that they are best friends, they don’t have to be friends to be good profesionals and teammates.

    Oh and if Cris is still upset about that then he is acting like a baby. I love Cris but the press is just salivating too much on him, especially Marca. It is not his fault, he is one of the best players in the world but like someone else said he should look at his own attitude and try to enhance his relationship with his teammates.Pepe and Marcelo joke around with everybody but Cris is always with the Portuguese speaking players- it is the fault of both parties.

    To be honest, I think the press is exaggerating this even if there MIGHT be some truth to it.

    • December 15, 2010 13:09

      I agree. De la Morena’s number of listeners has fallen a lot so he was in reality probably trying to get some headlines. He also made a pathetic joke about Iker last week at the 40 Principales music awards while he was presenting an award with Sara.

      • Ebrahim permalink
        December 15, 2010 13:18


      • Jenny permalink
        December 15, 2010 14:47

        If he’s the same interviewer who asked Mesut if he “gets along better with the Muslim players” – then I’m not exactly surprised. I found that interviewer offensive to listen to.

        If it’s a different one, then of course I’m sorry!

    • Ebrahim permalink
      December 15, 2010 13:11

      Ok well the case is sorted and now closed, the family sorted it out! jajaja!!!

      I don’t want to even ask who is this guy hes looking for attention and i am not willing to give it to him. Pathetic interview.

    • Ann permalink
      December 15, 2010 23:16

      I don’t really understand where this is coming from… I’ve seen many pictures of Cris chatting with many different teammates. Heck, I see him being more affectionate in training than almost anyone else, and not just with Marcelo/Pepe. Ozil and Khedira mention him repeatedly when they’re asked who they’ve made friends with, he and Xabi chat quite a bit, he and Sergio kiss, he and Pipa hug…

  15. Jenny permalink
    December 15, 2010 14:48

    Una, I just have to say you’ve outdone yourself today. 4 lengthy beautiful posts with pictures and everything – to say nothing of the translation involved.

    Hugs and Kisses darling- we don’t deserve you!

  16. Vigdis permalink
    December 15, 2010 15:00

    Yeah, this post makes me sad in many ways og mainly beacuse of the situation with Iker and Chris. I agree with you and think Iker has changed throuhout this years, and starting with his relationship with Sara. Sinche they got together it dosen’t seem that Iker cares about anyone or anything else. he is not very social and just wants to be with Sara, and agrees in everything she does and say.
    I agree that he is the captain and should take responsibility, and he doesen’t have to agree and support everything Sara does. I do understad that maybe some of the players get tired of Chris getting so much attention, and he does have a self-consion that is bigger than it’s good for him. I just hope everthing is good soon, and that they get through this still beeing friends!

    • mila_casillas permalink
      December 16, 2010 03:25

      “He doesen’t have to agree and support everything Sara does.”

      Exactly. It would really have been best if he said nothing at all. 😦

  17. Cosi permalink
    December 15, 2010 15:02

    Ok. With all this bad news, I HAD to smile about how the team would FEAR Sergio’s reaction to getting dropped from starting, haha 🙂 but honestly if he’s being too reckless and not performing, AA’s right there ready to go, and we all know how great Albiol’s been playing… I like AA and all, but this is the PERFECT motivation for Sergio to step up as he recovers from his injury and red card record/suspension.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is part of JM’s gran plan… If it is, go Mou.

  18. Gilly B permalink
    December 15, 2010 15:04

    All I’ll say is disagreements happen at clubs- especially at the big ones. Whether the problem is Cris and Iker’s relationship or team fears when popular players are dropped when out of form, it really is for the manager to get a handle on it. I know RM works a little differently to say, Man United, where SAF is THE overlord and respected as such, but I hope Mou is using his experience to reassure players where he can.

    Namely, that hard work and good form will be rewarded (e.g. the Arbeloa preference over Sergio right now; the opportunities for Benzema to improve and get more minutes) and the cult of the individual will always damage team spirit. While Valdano or whoever else might have their powers in team affairs, I believe these players want to pull together in order to be successful and Mou is the right person to help/make them do it.

    Of course, it could also be a nothing story on a slow news day…

  19. Ex_Madridista permalink
    December 15, 2010 15:39

    If this was true – and it is more speculation than fact – it only shows that Iker Casillas is a mature person while Cristiano Ronaldo is indeed an egoist of tremendous proportions. Why should Casillas be bothered about what his girl friend opines on footballing matters? Should Casillas force Sara Carbanero to be a simple Real Madrid mouthpiece because she is his girl friend? I think that would be very unfair to her, speaking idealistically. She has (or should have) her own individuality and therefore her own opinions and Casillas’ remark was quite mature and on the money, if you ask me.

    In contrast, CR7 turns out to be even more egotistical than his Crackovia (TV3) caricature. Why should he be bothered by some WAG’s comments on his performance as long as he is doing his team’s bidding?

    And this celebration/ protection thing is overblown. I didn’t notice Iker Casillas being so animated if his Spanish teammate was fouled badly on the pitch. And if CR7 didn’t really whine/ overract so much after being fouled, perhaps his teammates would be better empathisers. The difference between Iker and CR7 is that the latter acts as a prima donna while the former is a mature captain straddling generations of illustrious Real Madrid teams.

    In simple words, CR7 should cut the crap and grow up and show his bit on the field.

    And by the way, Messi is the best player on the planet, period.

    • Ann permalink
      December 15, 2010 23:12

      Trust me, Cris doesn’t want to be coddled the way Messi is. He doesn’t need to be treated like a fragile child. He’s a big boy, he played through much worse hate in Manchester and risen above it. If you buy into these rumors despite all of the bad press he’s shrugged off and endured for 10 years, you’re making yourself a willing media pawn.

    • mila_casillas permalink
      December 16, 2010 03:05

      “In simple words, CR7 should cut the crap and grow up and show his bit on the field.”

      He does. And no “crap” has come from him. He is always congenial and always thanking his teammates during interviews. This is about Iker and him not showing support for a player who is, I am sorry to say, for the most part keeping our team from collapsing completely. If you, “ex_madridista”, want to fap over Messi and unconditionally hate on Cristiano I am sure there are plenty of Barca blogs where you may do so. Cheerio.

      • Ex_Madridista permalink
        December 16, 2010 10:41

        “And no “crap” has come from him.”

        So what was all the griping through texting about Sara’s opinions? I never heard a pip-squeak of protest from Lionel Messi ever about anything ever…have I? He has been the model team-mate, hasn’t he?

  20. Laryssa permalink
    December 15, 2010 15:42

    I hope this crisis is being planted to disrupt the locker room and, in the end, serve to make the boys more unite and close. In the beginning of last season rumors has it that Cris and Kaká would fight for the spotlight and they become best friends and the most delicious bromance ever. Then Cris and Pipita hated each other and didn’t pass the ball for each other, what clearly was another lie. Now, this gossip about Cris and Iker.

    Cris is always in the eye of hurricane and Iker is not the same boy we learn to love 10 year ago. But I deeply believe that the both guys are professional and would not destroy their relationship because a misunderstanding. In Iker case, I believe even more that he, as a captain and a canterano, would never harm the health of the lock room, for anything and anyone.

    The club, the players and the fans need and want a strong squad that can fight for titles and for the respect that we deserve. The way to get that is being together and not tremble for stupid little things.

    Is Sara a RM’s Yoko Ono? 😛

  21. Barbara permalink
    December 15, 2010 15:43

    I really think Jose would want to get involved–he makes the decisions about who starts & who doesn’t. And if what is happening in the locker room affects what happens on the field, I would think he would have to be involved. Also I think Sara needs to more sensitive about what she says- its true she’s a journalist but she sees more than other journalists because of who she dates. Maybe the team needs to spend more time together off the field. However its a team full of talent/skill & there are only 11 positions. Its a new team with a new coach & I think they’ll get used to each other & by next year this will all be resolved esp if they win a title or 2.

  22. Bekah permalink
    December 15, 2010 17:50

    The questions he asked Iker really make it seem like he’s trying to stir up problems (also, the Barca comparison… I shouldn’t be surprised, but it was infuriating as ever). Like you said, though, I could see there being some truth to some of these things. I honestly haven’t noticed Cris not getting enough support from his teammates… that’s just not the conclusion I drew. But who knows… all we can do is hope that if there are issues, they’ve been worked out. Sadly I can’t dispute what Negredo said about the canteranos… we can only hope Perez will figure this out. I wish we could vote about these kind of things!

    Out of curiosity, how do you think Iker has changed?

  23. playachica3 permalink
    December 15, 2010 18:47

    i think both iker and cristiano are great, and it would be really sad if they didn’t get along, but like una said, we’ll never know what really goes on in the locker room. It’s true that cristiano ronaldo always celebrates his goals with the same people, but what was earlier said about marcelo and sergio ramos being bad defenders, i don’t think that’s true, if they weren’t good they wouldn’t be regular starters.

  24. Priya permalink
    December 15, 2010 23:27

    Oh wow that was depressing 😦 But I’m not going to buy into these rumors. I can’t see Iker and Cris have any sort of major problem. I mean they could have had some sort of conflict but I don’t think they hate each other. Honestly speaking, after the Classico, everyone on the team looks depressed and aren’t really celebrating with anyone when someone scores a goal. Like, Cris isn’t the only one who’s alone. Karim, after his third goal, barely got a celebration either. So like, I don’t think it’s a huge problem. I think Classico had a huge effect on the players and they’re still trying to get over it.

  25. amouria permalink
    December 15, 2010 23:37

    I think, my dear Una, you are able to notice that, when you post Good News, you get little number of comments, but the Bad News gets much much more. This is a test of the Human mind; somehow we tend to participate in debating disasters, troubles, difficulties more than celebrating niceties…what a depressing conclusion…

  26. Amber permalink
    December 15, 2010 23:39

    I’d be really upset if Sergio lost his starting position. I love him on the pitch and he deserves to be out there. Not that Arbeloa doesn’t, but Sergio is my favorite for what he does on the pitch not off. He was ridiculously impressive during the world cup.

    I kind of hope the issue with Cris is true. I was really disappointed when Iker came to Sara’s defense and not Cris. Sorry but your team needs to come before your partner, or just don’t comment. He didn’t need to defend her.

  27. Jean permalink
    December 16, 2010 01:59

    Okay, while I’m still trying to make sense of this Iker/CR bit, I think the part about Cris feeling as though his teammates don’t come to his defense more often and that the Spaniards don’t celebrate with him is kind of, well, dumb.

    If it were true, it’s a bit ridiculous that he would feel this way. I’ve been watching Cris for years now (bro is huge Man United fan), and as far as celebrations go, he shouldn’t be complaining as Cris is known for never celebrating another teammate’s goal. It was only at RM that I actually seen him do this, and even still, he’s not always in the mix when a whole group is celebrating. So that whole thing is just garbage to me. And second, I personally hate it when someone is fouled and half the team is complaining to the ref. I guess if it was a blatant foul, I’d understand why a teammate would want come to his defense, but we don’t necessarily need the whole gang trying to get a word in. Plus this instigates more chaos.

    But I don’t know… I’m a “let them play ref!” kind of person for the most part.

  28. mila_casillas permalink
    December 16, 2010 03:15

    “I’ll be honest, I liked the Iker of several years ago more than the Iker of today. Something in him seems to have changed in recent years, and not for the better.”

    Are you me??

    I read the translation for the interview Iker gave and it honestly comes off as defensive, with Iker tip-toeing around having to say anything good about Cristiano. 😦

    As for Cristiano and goal celebrations, we have all seen him throw his arms out and call all to hug him when he scores. Not only Pepe and Marcelo, but Ozil and Di Maria are also all over him. And Arbeloa will jump on anyone celebrating, bless him. I don’t think Cristiano has major issues with most of his teammates. I just think there is something not quite right with him and Iker, and I won’t be surprised if that something didn’t start off with Sara’s blathering.

  29. Milleca permalink
    December 16, 2010 06:45

    Una, I have a question… in what way do you say, in your opinion of course, has Iker changed and for the worst?

    • December 16, 2010 07:38

      Ahhh, I could write an entire post on that, I’ll try and get around to it.

      • Milleca permalink
        December 16, 2010 11:02

        Please do. I’ll be interested to see/read it. Thank you! 🙂

  30. Ebrahim permalink
    December 16, 2010 07:16

    AS reported the issue this morning, but did nto state it as a problem but rather as an opinion, i really believe this issue has been sorted out and this presenter was looking for headlines, there is a complete lack of news associated to real madrid so the press are trying to create something.

    I mean JM’s wish for a no 9 has been turned down so speculation is just speculation.

    The issue has been sorted out, i feel Iker was trying to explain that, a mountain out of a molehill.

    Una i was just wondering do you think Llorente will come? if FP gives the green light, from what i understand Bilbao do not want to sell.

    • December 16, 2010 07:41

      Fer said he doesn’t want to come and I personally like him (and Javi Martínez as well) in Bilbao, at least for the moment. I’m afraid of what will happen to him if he comes to Madrid and doesn’t live up to expectations.

      • Ebrahim permalink
        December 16, 2010 08:35

        I fear the same, but theres always the possibility of him excelling :D, the English are over hyping yet another striker i think fer is among the best in the world just needs a stage to display his talent, remember the Portugal game in the world cup?

  31. cisarovna permalink
    December 16, 2010 11:03

    I think the Cris/Iker story has legs mostly because they have such different media personas, which makes it a great story. Cris comes across more extroverted and Iker more reserved, and there are positives and negatives to both. We always seem to know what Cris is feeling because of his face or he just says outright, which makes him seem genuine and less contrived, however sometimes his reactions can seem very exaggerated which makes him dramatic (or as some may say, like a drama queen). Iker seems less transparent with his emotions which can translate to calm and balanced (as opposed to dramatic) but then in situations which seem to provoke a real emotional response, his failure to emote make him seem cold, indifferent, and disingenuous. To be clear, these are their media personas which is not the same as their true selves.

    The other major reason why this story won’t die is because it is basically a story about a woman getting between two guys, which is classic soap opera drama. It plays out like Iker broke the “bros before hoes” code and now the viewers gasp in horror or defend his love for his lady.

    With such a great story, almost doesn’t matter if it’s true!

    • Ebrahim permalink
      December 16, 2010 11:26

      On this website, i believe this issue was resolved and its now dead. :). ja!ja!ja!

    • Milleca permalink
      December 16, 2010 12:45

      Bwahahahaha I’m not even going to lie that I laughed out loud. When you say it like that, it’s really the recipe of soap opera. Wahahhahaahahaha!

      It’s like the Trojan War or something.

  32. ebrahim permalink
    December 16, 2010 15:46

    good v bad news. I think good new we expect but bad new we try an explain.

  33. December 16, 2010 22:13

    that hard work and good form will be rewarded (e.g. the Arbeloa preference over Sergio right now; the opportunities for Benzema to improve and get more minutes) and the cult of the individual will always damage team spirit. While Valdano or whoever else might have their powers in team affairs, I believe these players want to pull together in order to be successful and Mou is the right person to help/make them do it.

  34. December 17, 2010 04:03

    “(I’ll be honest, I liked the Iker of several years ago more than the Iker of today. Something in him seems to have changed in recent years, and not for the better.)”

    I agree with you completely, Una. I would love to read your full insight on this matter soon. Looking forward to that post! 🙂

  35. Ebrahim permalink
    December 17, 2010 06:25

    I feel really sorry for Cris, you know the castilla players named him the most approachable player on the first team(always willing to offer advice and give words of Encouragement), hes always in the gym when off from training , Mourinho and Ferguson have held him up as examples of the type of work rate and dedication thats (they) require in training .

    He arrived with big reputation and even bigger price tag, Madrid have made him the face of the team, but not for a single moment has he shyed away from the spotlight, when Madrid is need Ronaldo is never the one pulling up with injuries or backing out, he changes games, i ask myself is CR did not take the burden of the pressure how much more pressure would the other players have to deal with?

    There are so many people who hate the lad calling him arrogant and obnoxious without realizing the work he puts in behind the scenes and the pain he plays through to wear the white strip.

    I do not believe CR was born with the talent of Mesi but i l believe his incredible work rate and the guidance of Ferguson has meant he has exceeded his talent so thats his only equal is a once in a life time player that is Messi , all those people consistently saying Messi is better i think confirm one thing besides Messi he has no equal.

    I love cr on arriving in Manchester, with the English pres asking is he worth the 12 million tag he says “my dream is to play for Real Madrid”. ja!ja!ja!ja!

    • mila_casillas permalink
      December 18, 2010 00:25

      Amen to everything you said. 🙂

  36. Louisa permalink
    December 18, 2010 16:38

    I sometimes can’t believe that we do all this incredibly detailed in-depth analysis on the psychological ins and outs of the players and their relationship to each other. I don’t know if it’s really that complicated in reality… Maybe it’s because we WANT a soap opera out of all of this? Because we are human beings and we never say no to a bit of drama for excitement.. I am worried that all this is going to get blown out of proportion and it will start affecting the game which is the most important thing. Because, let’s face it, none of this really mattered until we started losing. We started comparing ourselves to Barca, a team that seems very united on all fronts. But we shouldn’t compare ourselves to them. RM is RM, and has its own style of play. Barca is Barca, and has its style too. That is what makes it all the more interesting.

    I was not a fan or non-fan of Cris until I saw this it shows him as very human and normal (putting aside the enormous talent he has for football).

    Anyway thank you Una for your most insightful comments, always enjoy reading your posts and appreciate the huge work you do translating etc.


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