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March 29, 2011

Well, this just about makes up for the lack of news coming out of Valdebebas due to the international break, no?

ONE. Valdebebas was the scene of a “pachanga” yesterday after the training session, as a team made up of Real Madrid employees (coaches including Mou and his entire staff of Karanka, Silvino, Rui Faria and José Morais; equipment managers; physios; press officers, including Óscar Ribot) took on a team made up of journalists who cover Real Madrid.  José Mourinho managed to both coach and play in the goal for his team at the same time (it seems he had a bit of trouble getting the ball though), even though his side was “officially” coached by Chendo (a good choice, since we know that Chendo is the only man who stands up to Mou).  Sitting next to Chendo on a cooler were Pipita and Adán, who had a great time, heckling, it appears.  I hope Gonzalo was shouting the things Mou normally yells at him during games.

Uh-oh, that ball is going to get a “cruz” next to it in Mou’s notebook and be dead to him!

José Morais scored the first goal with a spectacular play, and the first half ended 1-0.  In the second, the tie came after a penalty.  Mou had actually signaled for a penalty AGAINST his team, correcting the decision of the referee, and then couldn’t stop it, making it 1-1.  Mou then decided to let Silvino take over the goal, while he tried his luck as a forward.  And he was a great one too, because any time he was touched, even slightly, he fell to the ground, calling for a foul or penalty.  The game ended 2-3, with the win going to the press, as they converted two penalties (Silvino scored Madrid’s other goal), leading them to boast that at last that someone had ended Mou’s home win streak of nine years.  Jajaja!!!  Because of that, Mou subsequently “fired” Chendo and told the press that for the next game, they’ll recruit Zidane, Pardeza, Butragueño…  Aitor Karanka was the best out of Team Madrid, playing in his position of central defender.  This is the first time the press has been allowed to go onto the field where the first team normally trains.

Mou was the clear star attraction, no?

TWO. The earlier training session was behind closed doors, and even though the two Germans were back in Madrid, having been excused from today’s friendly, they didn’t go to Valdebebas join the rest of their teammates.  Marcelo was at Valdebebas, but he didn’t train.  Doctors at Sanitas diagnosed him with a deep bruise in his ribs, which make him doubtful for this weekend’s game (if there is one, that is).

THREE. In an interview with L’Equipe, Mou of course was asked about Karim Benzema.  His response was, “Karim is no longer a good boy, he’s a man.  He can be multifunctional on the field, and I like these types of players.  He’s earned the right to fail occasionally in front of the goal, but not the right to lose concentration, aggressiveness, or interest in participating in the play of the team.”

We also found out that Mou likes to help his kids with their homework (hopefully, he just helps and doesn’t coach, no?) and have coffee with his wife: “we want to be a normal family.  Having what is called a normal life is important, although it’s hard.  For us, it’s impossible to go to the beach in summer, to go shopping or to watch my son play football.”  But he did do that, last weekend when Canillas with JMJ in goal won their division!

FOUR. Esteban Granero, the poster boy of the Real Madrid Foundation (he’s their ambassador), attended an act yesterday at the Bernabéu to open social integration schools in Andalucía.  The first center will be inaugurated in September in Baza (Granada), which is special for El Pirata because “it will be in the town where my parents grew up.”

FIVE. Hopefully this will become the norm.  According to El País, the referee, Enrique Manuel Como, suspended a regional game in Extremadura between La Cumbre and Navalmoral in the 73rd minute due to racist insults from the crowd directed at Navalmoral’s two Moroccan players, Akram and Mohamed.  Akram had tried to leave the field, but the referee decided to suspend the game instead.  Navalmoral’s president said that the insults came from one entire section of the stadium, and congratulated the referee because “it’s not an isolated incident and it’s the sixth or seventh time” that it’s happened to the team.  Therefore, he was happy to have found a “brave referee who suspended the game for this reason” and he hopes the other team will be sanctioned.  A worrying note: the referee had to hide out in the locker room with the players until the Guardia Civil arrived.

Nevertheless, gracias Enrique Manuel Como.

SIX. The “making off” video of Iker’s Reebok Zigtech ad.  Ignore him lifting up his shoe as it it were the World Cup, and it’s perfect.  Just like his profile.

SEVEN. Speaking of goalkeepers, be sure to check out these adorable videos of Claudia Codina (Jordi’s daughter) practicing her moves.  I love how she went “papá” before one of them.  Here and here.

EIGHT. And just a note regarding the previous post, the section on reader Isabella’s impressions of the players.  What she wrote is just her opinion from her meetings with the players; I certainly don’t agree with her in some of the instances.  I know many people who have different impressions of the players from their own experiences – and I do too as well – so take it with a grain of salt, because it’s not indicative of the whole picture.  Everyone has both good and bad sides (with the exception of Iker’s profile of course, since it’s perfect from any side).  Unless you spend a lot of time with these guys, you’re never going to get to know them from short meetings.

If anyone is offended by what was written, tell me and I’ll either edit or remove the offending parts.

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61 Comments leave one →
  1. Jayna permalink
    March 29, 2011 11:49

    Oh, Mou! hahaha! Now he has brought the genuinely happy smile out of me. ❤

  2. Mandy permalink
    March 29, 2011 12:23

    Love to see Mou plays games with his staff. He really has great relationship with his staff. I wish my boss can be as respectful as him.

    I agree with you. The press break the 9-year unbeaten record of Mous home game.( haha….)I bet the players who are in their international duty must feel sad for cant being a viewer. Honestly, i think Mou could be the goalkeeper for the team. When Iker is back, his position will be moved to Mou. :))))

  3. Cindy permalink
    March 29, 2011 12:49

    Aha aha I love Jose. That game look like it was so much fun.
    Regarding Isabella post, I don’t think you should edit it or take it down.. That was her impression and she wrote what she saw, good and bad. I was hoping she would have wrote something on Kaka & Cristiano.

    • IsaBella permalink
      March 29, 2011 18:36

      I haven’t seen Kaka, and Cristiano was completely unavailable.

    • March 29, 2011 23:48

      I agree! She was just writing what she had seen, and her opinions of them.

  4. Pammie permalink
    March 29, 2011 12:52

    omg diving Mou! Thanks for covering this, it’s been brightening up the international break for me.

    Enrique Manuel Como is a role model for all refs! I hope more dare to do this!

    thanks for clarifying about the submissions post. 🙂

  5. bothered permalink
    March 29, 2011 14:37

    Regarding Isabella’s submission, there are a few things that I found offensive. I don’t know if it’s worth it to take them down as it’s already been posted and spread around, but maybe their should be some sort of clarifying information.

    1. It’s extremely irresponsible and homophobic as to speculate as to Khedira’s sexuality based on the clothing he wears. Full stop.

    2. Re: Marcelo becoming angry when people try to touch his hair. This should not be presented as if it is a bad thing! That is a part of his body, and he reserves the right to not be manhandled by strangers. The thought that one could touch Marcelo’s hair because it’s “different” or looks “touchable” stems from pure ignorance. (For more: http://www.whattamisaid.com/2009/09/no-you-cant-touch-my-hair.html)

    3. Her assertion that it’s not “original” for Adebayor to listen to African music was also bothersome. He is from an African country why wouldn’t he listen to the regional music? We do not describe it as un-original when Sergio talks about his love for Flamenco or if anyone else listens to music that’s indigenous to their native region, do we? Why should it be different for Adebayor?

    4. I understand the celebrities and players are not as they appear on TV. I know that they can have loose morals, sleep around, be rude, do whatever, that I don’t care about. I don’t care if Sergio wears colored contacts or is surrounded by PR people, because frankly, that has nothing to do with how he plays on the field. I will admit I am not familiar with the rules of the road in Spain, however, in my country of residence, to imply that someone would hit someone with a car and then speed off without any concern for them is to imply that they are guilty of a “hit-and-run” which is a serious criminal allegation! While it may be cute for Isabella to play pretend journalist outside of the Valdebebas, or allude to having a personal relationship with players or that Sergio is dumb, I don’t care, it’s again irresponsible to spread rumors involving criminal activity! It is well within the realm of possibility for Sergio to hit someone, and if he did and didn’t check on the person, that is absolutely terrible. But I also can’t stand for someone insinuating someone else would have committed a crime that they did not commit for the sake of an internet story.

    Other than that, everyone else who submitted stories, thank you! It was really great to read everyone’s submissions.

    • March 29, 2011 15:48

      I have to agree with other commenters that speculating on someone’s sexuality is absolutely unacceptable based on physical appearances. It perpetuates really harmful stereotypes that have no place on a thoughtful football blog (or in the world ideally).

      And since I love your blog, Una, I’d hate for someone to accuse you of libel because reporting on Sergio committing a crime (hitting and leaving the site of an accident)… there better be some proof to that allegation because that is a serious thing to claim. Other people and news centers less caring about sensationalism could pick up on your blog and that part at the minimum in his “story” paints a really bad picture of him.

      Overall judging someone’s personality from things they say in interviews is natural and many people do it with public figures. But the players also know they are being interviewed and reported on.

      On topic? Jose Mourinho is the absolute best. ❤

      • March 29, 2011 15:51

        As is the sexuality claim to be fair. And I had meant for this to be its own comment and not a reply but apparently I can not work the internet today!

        The other submissions posts were wonderful though and I think overall its a great post idea!

        • March 29, 2011 15:57

          Alright, I’ll edit the post. I also expect the writer to come back and explain why she wrote those things.

        • March 29, 2011 16:05

          Thank you, Una. 🙂 And I think it’s totally fine if the author does but seeing as how it’s not her personal blog and your disclaimer of truth is not in the same post as the claims, editing may be the best, least offensive, and safest idea.

        • March 29, 2011 18:09

          Una – I think it’s essentially too late to edit the post – many people saw her report and it’s clear from the comments what she was implying. This is the sort of stuff that spreads like wildfire on the internet. I completely agree with Bothered’s comments. I think what should happen is that Isabella needs to come back and clarify some of the incredibly irresponsible comments that she made on that post. You also need to post a disclaimer. I really think that those comments should not have been posted in the first place. I have the utmost respect for you and what you are trying to do, but you put yourself in an awkward position by allowing her a forum for her comments. If she had posted them within the comments section it might have been one thing, but it was in the main post of your blog and in this fandom, you are a highly respected blogger, so her comments can reflect on your credibility whether you agree with them or not. I thought the other submissions were interesting and appropriate. However, Isabella’s comments came off as homophobic, racist, immature, thoughtless and dangerous – implying a criminal act is highly irresponsible. While this might not have been her intention, it’s how it reads. If she wants to spew this sort of stuff, let her do it on her own blog and take the consequences for libel. I don’t want you mixed up in it because we adore you and you have done so much for fans of RM and La Roja.

    • Alex permalink
      March 29, 2011 15:48

      Seconded!

    • March 29, 2011 15:59

      Agree wholeheartedly.

      I think everyone can understand that this is one person’s perception of events (which is not substantiated in anyway, especially as all the photos were fairly standard “stock” photos of the players signing autographs in their Audis), however, certain comments can be perceived as damaging to the players.

      The worst being Sergio’s apparent hit-and-run, which again, IF that happened as portrayed it would have been a much bigger deal in the press. However, still intimating in anyway that Sergio Ramos hit someone, injury or no injury, is damaging. It impugns his character and this blog is read by many Madrid fans. This blog is also cited in other football fan websites, and the idea that Sergio Ramos is the type of person to hit and run, regardless of the actual situation, will affect his reputation and thus possibly his professional life. It doesn’t take proof of anything to hurt someone and again because this wasn’t “reported” anywhere else despite the (alleged) act happening in front of many fans I would choose to assume that there has been some mis-representation / exaggeration on the original author’s part.

      Secondly, commenting on Sami Khedira’s alleged sexuality is uncalled for and unfair to him, his family, and his girlfriend. Whether he is gay or straight is no one’s business and just because he is well-groomed and a little shy does not mean he is or is not gay. This is a less damaging (hopefully) statement but still what happens if some Ultras in other stadiums pick up this statement and straight screaming “GAY” at Sami everytime like they already do with racial and violence slurs. I’m not saying this would happen or that even Sami Khedira would care but she is unnecessarily causing drama.

      Finally, her other comments about the players were her opinion but things like calling out Adebayor’s music taste (if he was Spanish and said Spanish music would she still say “orignal, no?” or that Pedro Leon looks disgusted all the time, or that journalists say Sergio’s head is empty are unnecessary but not particularly dangerous so it’s up to your judgement as to whether to keep them. I didn’t really enjoy her overall tone or perspective but it’s one person’s opinion and still interesting to read.

      However, I know (as only one reader) I would feel more comfortable if you removed the comments about Sami possibly being gay and Sergio possibly hitting someone and running away. Even if he did lightly touch her with his car and speed off without realizing it, the way it’s portrayed comes across more serious, and I truly believe with so many witnesses if that was the case there would have been more than one account of the incident.

    • nicole permalink
      March 29, 2011 16:29

      yea i agree with all hat is said by you but i do feel that the comments about sami and about the hit and run shotul be removed..the thing about the music as well it is prejudice. and i agree with una that i feel isabella should explain herself.

    • Jenny permalink
      March 29, 2011 17:01

      Well put.

    • tiare23 permalink
      March 29, 2011 21:38

      Well said.

      Most concerning was the story of Sergio committing ‘Hit and Run’, which as described was a very serious offense and can be harshly punished where I’m from. I certainly hope that what Isabella described did not happen. If so, it’s extremely disappointing to hear that Sergio would think it’s okay to strike someone with his vehicle, either accidentally or on purpose, then drive away without checking if the individual was alright.

      Re: Sami: The comments about him looking gay were just awful and terribly offensive.

      Regardless of Isabella’s ‘perception’ of Adebayor’s attitude, the comments about his musical taste were offensive and completely unnecessary.

      Re Marcelo: As someone who has had complete strangers touch my hair because it was ‘different’, his anger is justifiable within reason.

    • March 29, 2011 23:52

      Eh, I don’t think she was talking about Adebayor’s music being unoriginal was a bad thing, I think she was just pointing out that it was expected.

      All I have is thanks that she can share her personal perspectives on the players.

      • IsaBella permalink
        March 30, 2011 09:15

        I have already thanked you but I’ll do it again. You seem to be one of the few who actually understood what I wanted to say.

    • Natalie permalink
      March 30, 2011 01:19

      agreed on this so much, I never reply (though I love this blog so much I really should!!) but when I read her comments I was pretty offended. The Ramos hit and run is a pretty huge accusation to make against someone and I feel it was very irresponsible to imply that he did such.

      I really love this blog particularly because it never goes into bashing on players that aren’t Una’s favourite, or posting stuff like that Khedira comment that is just really unnecessary. I understand someone can post whatever they want on their own blog, but its just sad to see that stuff here where it isn’t expected.

    • Pammie permalink
      March 30, 2011 14:19

      Thanks for summing up these concerns perfectly! I agree completely and am glad that UM edited the original post.

  6. Vigdis permalink
    March 29, 2011 15:44

    Have you met the players?
    Can’t you write your opinion of them? 🙂

  7. Gilly_B permalink
    March 29, 2011 17:28

    In understand why many people have a problem with parts of Isabella’s comments on her meeting. However, I think we should bear in mind that they are only HER opinions. I’m not dismissing them, just saying they were her observations and seemed quite truthful for her. I’d hate for Una to start editing the blog out of weariness for our reader responses. Healthy debate is to be expected.

    That said:
    -Marcelo and his hair: if anyone touched my ‘fro without asking, I’d bite. Seriously. You only pet kids and, well, pets. Not grown people, it’s wrong!
    – Adebayor: surprise that he’s often moody? Not so much, that’s his rep since Arsenal. But the man can listen to whatever he likes- just because s/o doesn’t like or understand African music, no need to be rude in describing it. The person who compared it to Sergio and his flamenco was spot on.
    -Khedira: I get what she’s saying; he’s preened in a specific way. BUT, it’s so damaging to start on sexuality rumours, esp when we’d all like the sport and its fans to be more accepting (race, cultural difference sexuality..). A low blow.
    Sergio’s ‘Ludacris’ Moment: Just call it like it is- Isabella saw something, one time. To imply malicious intent and possibility of repeating the offence (with that warning to fans that didn’t seem like a joke) isn’t accurate.

    I still found it interesting. For some reason, the idea of Sergio with coloured contacts was the most disappointing thing! No, it’s nothing to do with his football, but still – coloured contacts?? Nooooo!!

  8. amouria permalink
    March 29, 2011 18:00

    this is called responsible journalism. good for you Una…

  9. Rayne permalink
    March 29, 2011 18:28

    I’m actually surprised people found Isobelle’s observations offensive enough to comment. I thought it was a wonderful read, different from the usual flavor.

    And, I’m going to be honest, I think this is a matter of over-sensitivity on some of the reader’s parts. Isabella had every right to offer up her personal recollection of the players. That’s all it was, an account of her personal impressions of them. Not fact. The fact that it requires censorship is saddening to me.

    • DebS permalink
      March 30, 2011 03:43

      oversensitivity to speculation about someone being gay?! or insinuating that it was expected that an African likes African music? or to make comment about Sergio hitting with his car an overenthusiastic fan who threw herself at his car, and then just driving off?

      Sorry, I guess I’m more concerned over people who don’t find that offensive. Sure her “opinions” are fine and she is entitled to them. However, I have to question why Isabella even thought that was appropriate to include in the comments she submitted to Una.

      As I can see from many of the other posts, I am not the only one who feels that way. And,the comment made by headbandsandheartbreak is spot on about comments like Isabella’s spreading like wildfire on the net/in the media. I for one, don’t want Una to be the one to take the fall for someone else’s “opinions” that were posted on her blog. I absolutely adore this blog and would hate if anything happened to rob Una of continuing with her masterpiece!

    • March 30, 2011 03:45

      Oversensitivity? Being concerned that someone said that Sergio Ramos purposely ran over a pushy fan and that it could harm his name and career is oversensitive (not to mention that it they were implying that he committed a criminal act)? Being concerned that someone suggested that Sami Khedira might be gay based on nothing more than his appearance when homophobia is rampant in the sport is oversensitive?

      Yep, then I guess I’m oversensitive then. Sheesh. But I also think that her comments were immature, irresponsible and ignorant.

      I notice that IsaBella has come back to mention that she didn’t meet Cristiano and Kaka (lucky them, they won’t be defamed today!) but hasn’t clarified her more controversial comments. I would really like to hear what she has to say for herself.

    • March 30, 2011 06:01

      C’mon Rayne. Some of the things Isa wrote were purely speculative in nature and should be taken as so. We all know how the internet works and untruths spread on here like wildfire. It is unfair for her to inject this sort of information into a system that is looking for anything that will damage anyone for any reason. Even Isa is now being damaged by all of us for her post. SOME of the things she posted were opinions, others were total speculation, and some of it was slanderous. IF that post were read by any of the players involved, they would be crushed and absolutely jaded to doing ‘interviews’, or sitting and chatting with the fans, or whatever she did with them. So, essentially, she may have ruined it for all of us.

      • IsaBella permalink
        March 30, 2011 12:38

        Emily, although I don’t like everything that you say I do like you. Please consider the fact that none of them (I mean the players) actually care what a person like me thinks of them. I have not ruined anything for anybody. They stop talking to me they start with someone else, you know how many reporters/journalists/plus ones (like me) are inside Valdebebas every day??? They forget about you the minute you walk away. Please don’t worry, you’ll get yours when you come to Madrid.

        • emily permalink
          March 31, 2011 10:22

          I would be totally surprised if they just forgot about you, as a person, especially if you went for an angle, like with Sergio. Sure they see a lot of faces, but they become familiar. I’m sure that they know how to temper what they say to the media. But they know who the ‘media’ are, most of the time. You became a transfer ‘medium’ of information about them that COULD become a small problem for some of them. They may Never associate your face to this information, but, most people can ‘put 2 & 2 together’ and say “heyyyy, esto es chica que… blah blah blahh…’
          We all know you didn’t want to harm anyone, and you did warn us about your post. You definitely said some things that some people didn’t appreciate! In turn, you got a little lesson in cross-cultural morality, gratis, from Una’s multi-national readers.
          So, that given, we all need to thank Una for having such an open forum. Una could just delete all of our comments and posts and move on to plan her personal raid on the Bernabeu.

        • IsaBella permalink
          March 31, 2011 15:31

          “especially if you went for an angle, like with Sergio” – I’m sorry emily I didn’t understand that… 😦
          I think I could never be objective when I’ve been around this subject for such a long time, I will always be somehow “selfishly biased” like one of the commenters put it.
          Anyway, I’m really getting tired of this. Thank you emily.

    • IsaBella permalink
      March 30, 2011 09:07

      thank you Rayne.

    • Pammie permalink
      March 30, 2011 14:34

      so you would like that people pick up on the gay rumours and Sami getting met by chants like this one used for Guti for ages, thanks to some off remarks on the internet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lflkQDJLb44

      Isabella and her friends can talk about this and other stuff she mentioned in her submission in private if they feel the need to, but sending it to a widely read blog is a completely different story. It’s pure speculation and only does harm if it makes the wrong rounds.

      Personally I am very glad that many people took the time to comment on this. It shows that madridistas are a bunch with style and manners, in full spirit of the club!

      • Pammie permalink
        March 30, 2011 14:43

        uhm the off remarks on the internet was meant towards Sami, not Guti.

      • Lola permalink
        March 30, 2011 19:02

        In the same spirit, you might not want to spread/promote/link to that video. 😉

        • Pammie permalink
          March 31, 2011 12:28

          you got a good point, I just wanted to show how awful it can get. 😦

      • March 31, 2011 15:54

        The tabloids hounded Guti about the gay thing. They were always trying to get pictures of him kissing men. The desire to ‘get’ him, and so many other famous people, is so saddening.

  10. ross permalink
    March 29, 2011 18:44

    Una, I understand that you want your readers to be part of this blog, but that post from Isabella is really bad journalism (if we can even call that journalism tbh). The gay stereotype (on Sami), the racial undertones (so what if Ade likes African music?), but the most troubling of all is that report on Sergio in a hit-and-run incident. If that’s not true, that can be held as libel. You have loyal readers from all over the world so I hope you’d be more diligent next time in posting “reports.” After all, don’t we all want legitimate sources? Isn’t that why we’re sometimes frustrated with Marca and other media? I’d expect more of digging through the facts than just speculating whether so and so really said the truth. Besides, anyone can just say they’ve met the players and write things about them.

    • alex permalink
      March 30, 2011 05:12

      Totally agree – well said.

  11. Maddi permalink
    March 29, 2011 21:46

    Haha, very sportsmanlike of Mou to signal a penalty against himself! I think I read somewhere that his dad played as a goalkeeper too. And Pipita and Adan looked like they had so much fun! “Uh-oh, that ball is going to get a “cruz” next to it in Mou’s notebook and be dead to him!” LOL!!!
    Iker’s profile… DROOL… wouldn’t it be such a nightmare if he broke it by accident!?!?! It would be an international tragedy.
    Yay Claudia! Mou should sign her 🙂 It would be great if Iker had a little goalie daughter/son too. Can’t wait for the little Zidanes!
    My best friend is leaving for Spain in a couple of days, and she’ll be in Madrid. I’m making her memorize the faces of all the players in case she sees any of them. doubtful, I know 😦

    • DebS permalink
      March 30, 2011 03:50

      My favorite is Mou diving. He clutches his left knee as if he’s been injured. He didn’t even land on that knee when he fell…it was the right knee! lol

      I really like that Mou held this “scrimmage” with the press being the other team. Maybe now they can see how the real Mou is and be a little nicer to him in the media. We can always hope, right?

      BRAVO, Enrique Manuel Como. We need more men to step up like you did! And also well done to Akram for taking a stand against this abuse too. This is what it takes to send the message that this type of behavior is not acceptable in football!

      Love the pic of El Pirata! Is he cute or what?!

  12. IsaBella permalink
    March 30, 2011 09:04

    I don’t really need to do this, however, I would like to make some things clear.
    1. I am not a reporter, neither a journalist myself.
    2. I was inside Valdebebas for three days with a group of professional journalists. Answering the upcoming question why and how: I have been in the football world for almost 8 years now, I have spent too much time on various training grounds (not on only in Spain) with journalists and reporters. I met many international players in person (not only Spanish).
    3. The pictures I posted were the only ones I could give you without copyright infingement. The photos from inside were taken by someone else and published in a newspaper. I enjoy standing in the fan zone taking photos and observing how the fans behave. I try to see things from both sides: inside and outside.

    I am very dissappointed by Una’s attitude and also by the attitude of many of the commenters here, but as much as I am entitled to my own opinion you are entitled to yours.

    • March 30, 2011 11:26

      Some of what you said was offensive to many readers, and with valid reason. You provided color commentary and observation, which is all well and fine, but unfortunately at least two of them seem to be completely unfounded and possibly damaging claims.
      I find it absurd that you would suggest that a) Khedira is gay based on his clothing choice and the fact that he does not like being ATTACKED by fans, and b) Ramos would slam his car into an overzealous fan because she wanted his autograph, and then proceed to speed away. Additionally, supposing this event actually occurred, it *just so happens* that you were the only person in the entire world to “report” on it….

    • sam permalink
      March 30, 2011 11:26

      Wow… I hope it’s an English language thing or a sensitivity some of us have due to an understanding of media more than others but for someone who (supposedly) spends a lot of time around football players, their world, and journalists… I find it absolutely mind-boggling that you think putting speculation about a player’s sexuality or Sergio in a potential crime isn’t something you need to defend (and actually you need to defend it better). There are slander and libel laws for a reason and the onus is on the statement-maker to prove the accusation.

      Personally, I think you might be a little delusional or at least over-exaggerating your case to make a more interesting story. However, whatever the actual situation your actions are really irresponsible and I sincerely hope you can understand why making claims about public figures that have “slur” undertones is really damaging.

      It may be that Sami Khedira is or is not gay, but honestly I don’t care he is a damn fine footballer, however, making the comment was childish and unfair to Sami Khedira when all he did was sign an autograph for you. Maybe you wanted more and are lashing out, maybe he really is effeminate or gay. Again, why speculate?

      If Sergio Ramos really hit someone that is absolutely terrible, he deserves to be punished and my impression of him would change forever. HOWEVER, despite your sensationalistic over-tones, my assumption is more like “he drove off, she ran at the car, nothing happened, no injury.”
      It’s unfortunate for him and for her but I can imagine the scene (famous person gets mobbed) and it’s not pretty and I feel really bad for everyone involved, but mainly the players because they are athletes not (for the most part) celebrity obsessed individuals and their fame is a testament to their skill and not their desire to be famous or have people running after them.

      With all that said, I think I understand where you were going with both comments, and I really don’t believe you meant to portray those words the way they came out.

      I found a lot of your comments really jarring but they are your perceptions and it was nice of you to share them. I just feel like maybe having put these words out there you should realize that they weren’t perceived perhaps with the intention you had, and now at least accept that your words could cause harm to players we all are fans of.

      Also, just as a further note, Unamadridista does a fabulous job. Her blog is an example of responsible, intelligent, and amusing commentary. Many of her readers (myself included) were concerned about what you wrote from an emotional and legal standpoint. Being disappointed in her, to me, further demonstrates your disregard for the person behind this blog and again the players who give her so much good material.

      • March 30, 2011 18:34

        Beautifully put, Sam. I sincerely hope that the group of professional journalists that brought IsaBella along doesn’t do so in the future if they know the sort of potentially libelous and irresponsible comments she has been putting out in public. If my plus one for an event did something like this, I’d make sure that they never had this sort of access again. It’s an abuse of trust on many levels. The fact that Isabella is disappointed in una (why on earth?!)and thinks that she doesn’t have to answer to her slanderous comments is very telling. And also, the back pedaling about not being a journalist when she presented herself as such (conducting interviews, etc.) is galling.

      • IsaBella permalink
        March 30, 2011 19:22

        Referring to what you said about Una: she knows why I don’t like what she did and I hope she will be able to explain it to me somehow. If not, it’s still ok, I keep appreciating her blog and the information she provides.

    • Liz permalink
      March 30, 2011 13:09

      Are you a mythomaniac aswell? I mean, you’re afraid of copyright infingement but you’re obviously not afraid of making serious criminal accusations towards the players and put that claimed reputation of yours on risk that gives you access to the the training ground.

      Please, just do yourself a favour and stop embarrassing yourself. It’s obvious that you are just another drooling autgraph hunter who also have racist and homophobic prejudices. The fact that you also mention what kind of music many of the players listens to are making it clear that the information is based on the music that was played in their car when arriving to and leaving Valdebebas. No wonder you haven’t managed to come up with much more information than what kind of music they listen to and what kind of tattoos they have. What makes it even more obvious is that you mention other fans in context to more or less all of your meeting with the players, fans that wouldn’t have access to Valdebebas.

      Show at least some respect for people’s intelligence

    • Chloe permalink
      March 30, 2011 13:39

      I’m honestly confused by you being disappointed by the readers and Una. It’s kinda amazing that you would be feeling disappointed by us. What you posted obviously had an adverse effect otherwise there wouldn’t be so many disgruntled readers.

      You are correct. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. What you are not entitled to do is to submit these opinions of yours onto someone else’s blog(I don’t blame Una, it was nice to get the readers involved and many of the posts were fun). By all means, write in the comments and link it to your own blog or something.

      I honestly wish I hadn’t read what you wrote. I am tempted to use profanities to describe what I thought of your post but for the sake of maturity (and for any younger readers), I’ll refrain even though it would completely sum up my feelings.

      If you didn’t want to be disappointed by the readers then you should not
      a) write borderline homophobic/racist comments
      b) imply that you “know” the players
      c) state that you know Sergio’s weakness and then refuse to reveal it. You are obviously trying to make fans jealous and the pretentious attitude does not sit well with anyone really.

      Also if you are not a reporter and just a fan, your wanting to meet them is obviously for nothing more than superficial reasons and putting on airs.

    • Michelle permalink
      March 30, 2011 16:08

      I had guessed an apology would be too much to hope for, but it doesn’t make me happy to be proven right in this instance.

      *shrug* I’m just glad that the overwhelming majority of commenters also saw and pointed out the myriad problems with this piece of “journalism”. Maybe there ARE still right-thinking folk in the world after all.

      • DebS permalink
        March 30, 2011 18:19

        would it be wrong to give you a “thumbs up”? Sorry…couldn’t resist. :p

    • ross permalink
      March 30, 2011 20:16

      LOL at you being afraid of copyright infringement but not being afraid of committing libel, stereotyping gays and targeting one of the players of being one and talking about another player with racial undertones.

      And you’re disappointed? Well we’re the ones who are disappointed in you. I hope for this blog’s sake that we’re not getting any more of this ridiculous fanfic that hurt the players’ reputation.

    • nicole permalink
      March 30, 2011 23:21

      “disappointed by Una’s attitude”? what did she do?! to be honest, I think she’s being fairly polite and professional about the whole situation so I don’t think you have the right to be saying such things…

  13. nuni permalink
    March 30, 2011 20:41

    I think there is far too much drama in here. I can understand that some are offended by the things Isabella wrote but I don’t believe that it was her intent to be offensive. The comment about Sami for example seemed like an innocent speculation, I don’t share her opinion (because he is my future husband obviously XD) but I don’t think she was being homophobic or anything. Since she’s not a journalist we can’t expect her to be perfect, I think any fan report would suffer from similar mistakes.

    I think our perception of players vary and that’s perfectly fine. I personally enjoyed reading her account of meeting the footballers even if I didn’t share some of the same opinions, and I really hope this doesn’t stop other fans from telling us about their experiences with footballers, the good and the bad.

  14. LaBlanca permalink
    March 30, 2011 21:25

    thanx for the entry Una. I absolutely loved they had so much fun. Great to see Pipa laughing again.
    and Granero looks so handsome with his new look.

  15. emily permalink
    March 31, 2011 05:27

    Sam had some very good points up above in his/her reply to Isa. I’ve been having trouble finding the right words and Sam said it well. I truly feel bad for Isa. She had no intention of causing this much of a stir. And Una – will you ever want to do another ‘reader’s submissions’ again?! o-O I would hate to think that you are forever jaded by this.
    So, with all of the debate this has caused, we learn why things aren’t always the right thing to say or do, helping to bust through the old social mores we each grew up with. Then, we can find some common ground and be civil. Our common ground, here, is the love for Real Madrid. So, let’s find clarity through the haze of anger and derision and move on and enjoy our mutual support of our favorite team.
    Hala Madrid!

    • IsaBella permalink
      March 31, 2011 14:18

      Emily and nuni: sorry to put it in one reply but it will be simpler like this:
      I believe that there always will be someone that will twist your words or misinterpret them or overinterpret what you say or write. Of course, it was not my intent to be offensive and provoke any kind of controversy. Unfortunately, if I had used different words there would have been someone else who wouldn’t have liked them.
      I have clarified everything with Una in private and we understand each other now.
      I personally don’t have any problem with any of the players, even with those who ignored me three times in a row, it’s obvious that it made me a little sad but I was happy with all I got from the others. I felt a little sorry for the people outside which sweared at the players and used every kind of bad language because they couldn’t get an autograph. Journalists inside were telling jokes about the players and then interviewing them with a poker face.
      That being said, Hala Madrid.

      • March 31, 2011 16:29

        Now I am pissed… I tried to take the high road here and hope that it would open your eyes to your total childish insensitivity. I hope to high heaven that you are only twelve, because no adult, unless it was a tabloid reporter, would be acting the way you are.
        I don’t think the words about Pipita’s teeth were twisted, AT ALL. That was just plain mean spirited, on your part, even with your disclaimer about them not affecting how you feel about him as a person. You just should not have mentioned them, at all. PERIOD.
        Then you stereotyped gay people. It doesn’t matter whether or not you included Sami in the same sentence. Stereotyping is a huge party foul in most cultures, nowadays.
        Then you sought to insight envy from the readers by talking about ‘a secret’ and ‘a little gift’, etc. Being circumspect is cute and all, but it’s childish and glory seeking, at best. Read some of the other commenters. Most of us agree that what you said was offensive, slanderous and libelous, so maybe there is a lesson in here for you. Some of the things you said were insensitive, and you need to mature into that sort of sensitivity, now, before you get yourself into real trouble somewhere else. Your innocence will get you hurt someday.
        Did any of the ‘journalists’ you travel with read your submission? If they accepted any of it as ‘good reporting’ or ‘journalism’, then they have no credibility whatsoever. They must be working for tabloids or any of the other rumor/gossip mills that ruin people’s lives. You created gossip and it’s making you look even worse to stand by what you said as if it weren’t offensive at all. That’s reprehensible. Have you learned nothing from any of this?
        I am one of the hardest people on Earth. It’s not easy to get my goat because usually I let things just slide off, but something that bugs me is dishonesty and/or disloyalty. And the disloyalty you displayed to people who confided in you is truly reprehensible. They didn’t know that they were going to be ‘on record’. The players should have known better and so should you. You owe Pipita, Sami, Manu, and every other player you possibly insulted, an APOLOGY and Una should delete your ENTIRE POST. And your thinly veiled, but, oh so obvious jab at Xabi for not paying attention to you ‘three times in a row’ is so inappropriate and immature. Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and accept accountability for the sheer crap you wrote and GROW UP!!! *heavy, heavy sigh*

        • April 1, 2011 09:48

          dear emily,

          I kind of love you for attempting to take the high road before basically having no other option but to get angry. I went flying past that high road and went straight onto the fury highway the first time round.

        • IsaBella permalink
          April 1, 2011 09:53

          Now I’m crying… I’m sorry emily. I didn’t mean to hurt anyone nor to sound immature, nor anything wrong. I regret having written anything at all because this is not what I expected. I didn’t imagine this in my worst nightmares.
          I have never said any bad word to any of you and I won’t because I don’t know you and I don’t feel you deserve this.
          I do not deserve this either.

  16. Ange permalink
    April 1, 2011 01:24

    oooooooooooooo wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwww!!!! man this is as good as a latin soap opera….

    i didn’t see the orginal post… & have to say from what I read …

    EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION!!!!

    … & Una editing her post … she does it because she doesn’t want problems …with anyone …. I remember when she edit my post because someone found it offensive … but I didn’t get mad at Una or the person that got offensive … because it was miss understanding … & nothing more…

    Isabella just called it as she saw … she gave her opinion on how she saw things…. nothing more…. she probably try to sound funny … and it came across wrong…

    & i don’t see why everyone went against UNA for what someone else said…. Una is great she has 2 amazing blogs … & she gives other fans to help her out with her posts!!! other people wouldn’t do that!!!

    & since i didn’t see what Isabella put… I can’t say nothing against her … & what she wrote …

    but I will say this … i have seen alot of athletes get hurt by people that say they are “fans” … and I can’t stand that … I will defend my boys from Real Madrid (Iker, Alvaro, Sergio R. , Xabi, Raul, Marcelo, Gonzalo, Canales y Adan) & from the NT and other players…

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